军事论坛SinoDefence Forum是一个非常神奇的论坛,它的主题是讨论中国军力和武器,可是参加讨论的却是一群外国人……几年前,一位15岁的芬兰热血少年为加入中国人民解放军而发帖子咨询,吸引了许多外国网友留言探讨。

Could non-chinese join PLA?

外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么?

PLA Soldier(楼主)

As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLà? This not a joke, I′m talking dead-serious about this。

如题,我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能?大家别笑,我是认真的。

评论翻译

bd popeye

In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no

The answer can be found in this link below。

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.p

由我五年来对PLA的研究来看,答案是否定的。

你可以看看下面的链接,其中有你要找的答案:

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf

PLA Soldier

Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?

多谢你的回复,但是,如果我放弃原来的国籍,加入中国国籍呢,有可能吗?

bd popeye

Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago。

You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply。

You >>> PLA soldier <<

edit 5 minutes later.。.

Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then。

还是不行啦,有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧,是几年前,也许是五年前,当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard(公告板)时代吧。

你首先必须生为中华人民共和国的公民,才有资格加入解放军,其他一切免谈。

你,解放军战士,两者无缘,放弃吧,还是加入你自己国家的军队吧,这才是王道。

进一步说吧,由你的资料,我猜你住在芬兰吧,15岁,在大多数国家,法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁,所以,你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。

Finn McCool

There's always the Legion Etrangere

总是有外籍军团存在滴。

Damingli85

What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?

如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍,然后又恢复中国国籍呢?

bd popeye

Nope

还是不行。

I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen。

我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。

HKSDU

answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA

连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。(ID显示应为香港人)

bd popeye

Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners。

You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period。

多谢啦,西藏人不行,蒙古人不行,这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其他地方的非中原人种都不行(?),更何况是外国人?

你必须是一个土生土长的中国人,讨论到此为止。

backwindow

Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen。

解放军中是有西藏人,蒙古人,维族人在服役的,如果他们是中国公民。

lcloo

I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank。

There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese。

我曾在中国工作过,时常看CCTV7军事频道,里面看到过一个维族医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助,我记得她是个军官,但忘了是什么军衔了。

的确有很多非汉族士兵在内蒙古和广西服役的,广西的壮族就不是汉族人。

Damingli85

But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college 。

可我以前就出生在中国啊!我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。(这个华人后悔换国籍了)

backwindow

Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do have different passport。

尽管香港人和澳门人都是中国公民,可他们却有着(跟大陆)不同的护照。

kw64

Sorry but this claim is not true

很抱歉的说,bd popeye你的说法是不对的,中国少数民族去参军的情况很常见啊。

Here's an example of an Uygur officer:

下面就是一位维族军官的例子:

http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_953564.htm

And a Tibetan officer:

而这是一位藏族军官:

http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html

tres

That's not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian。

bd popeye 你说的不对,在解放军历史上,有很多人是来自外国的,包括美国,加拿大,印度等,实际上,(中国)抗日战争中最出名的两位军医,一个来自加拿大,一个来自印度。

Today you could see Tibetan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks。

如今,你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族,蒙古族,维族的士兵。

bball2k

Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also。

According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either。

恩,蛮有趣的,你们从哪听说非汉族人不能加入解放军的? CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目,一些在西藏执勤,一些则在其他地方,关于维族士兵,也早就播过了。

根据维基百科资料,一个名叫赵南起(Cho Namgi)朝鲜族人,官至3星上将(1988年),当过军队指战员,党委书记,所以说少数民族将领晋升受到限制的说法也不成立。

bd popeye

Ooppss my bad Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that。

看来我错了,多谢指教,我以前还不知道呢。

PLA Soldier

OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?

谢谢所有回复的人,现在我的新问题来了:如果我现在搬到中国去住,然后获得中国国籍,那我再参军有戏吗?

bd popeye

Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so。

至少就我看来,不行。不过也有可能我错了,但这种情况微乎其微。

Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly.。.

问你个问题,在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面,有那么多的解放军照片,可能成千上万张…

Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking。

鉴于你来自芬兰,请问你是白人吗?我就臆断如此吧,那么请你翻翻看这些照片,你能找出一张,就一张,上面的解放军战士是穿着制服的白人吗?有过吗?我只是问一下。

PLA Soldier

Yes, I′m white western, and yes, I have never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I′m asking this from you。

是的,我是西方白人,我也承认,我从未见到有白人穿着解放军的制服服役,可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。

lcloo

From my observation while in China, I have noticed that,

以我在中国观察的经历,曾经注意到一下的事情:

The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control)。

征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政府大事操办,会悬挂红色的横幅来进行宣传,本地电视台会广播征兵时间,地点,所需准备的材料。(在深圳,几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视)

I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could have missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so less recruitments。

我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动,很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解放军一直在执行裁军政策吧,所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。

An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens have this document, Hongkong and Macau people don't have this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you have no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards)。

(应征)的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本,由公安局颁发,只有大陆人才有这样的本本,香港人,澳门人没有,因为一国两制嘛。没有这个小本子,你是无论如何也参不了军的。(户口本不是身份证,假的身份证容易搞,可你搞个假户口本试试看?)

Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of communist party。

征兵也离不开本地政府的协助,我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息,检查是否曾有过犯罪记录,当然,中共党员有被优先招募的权利。

kw64

Popeye:

I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don't see them in photo ops very often.。.

对Popeye说:

我得说,你的说法有欠推敲,(找不到白人解放军战士)的原因,一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低,你看不到是很正常的

I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm

我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解放军服役法,在第一章,第3节。

http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm

It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."

指出:凡中国公民,不管其种族,族群,职业,家庭背景,或教育程度,都享有到军队服役的权利。

PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:

http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html

回溯至60年代,解放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。

Here's some other examples of PLA soldier of Russian descent:

PLA Soldier:

对PLA Soldier说:

Yes, as what I said above, you can join PLA if you become a Chinese citizen. If ethnically Russian Chinese can join the PLA, I'm pretty sure an ethnically Finn Chinese can do the same. Plus it's all in their consititution。

是的,我刚才讲过,你可以在成为一名中国公民之后加入中国人民解放军,如果连俄罗斯裔的中国人都可以加入,我敢写包票,一个芬兰裔的中国人也可以做到,更何况这都是在他们的宪法里明明白白写清楚了的。

Hope this helps!

希望能帮到你!

bd popeye

Thanks for clearing this subject up kw64.

Looks like I was wrong on several accounts. Thanks again for the correction。

多谢KW64,把这个问题说清楚了。

看来,我的解释有很多漏洞啊,再次感谢更正。