我是个黑妹,在中国读书,有个中国男友,我受到很多ZZ歧视,WHY?


原题 I'm black, my academic interest is in China, my boyfriend is Chinese. The most racism I've ever faced in my life has been from Chinese people... Why?

Hi. This may sound whiny... I've asked the same questions of my Chinese and Vietnamese friends, though I'm sure they are much less honest because of our friendship. I came here because I'd certainly like honest answers and maybe the anonymity of Reddit will give me that.

这可能听起来像发牢骚...我问过我的中国和越南的朋友同样的问题,但我敢肯定,他们是因为我们的友谊而骗我。我来到这里是因为我想要诚实的回答,也可以匿名给我说。

So I'm majoring in history and essentially Chinese studies in college. Multiple Chinese professors/ other Chinese students have made comments that they might have seen as nice, but were actually blatantly hurtful or racist. One professor wrote a very nice recommendation and ended it with Rescuerabbit 123 is one of the best African-American students I've taught. The implication clearly being that African-American students are different from other students and must only be compared with each other.... this is at least how I see it. One of my good friends said in all serious, "You speak Chinese very well. That's really good considering most black people can barely speak English."

我主修历史,中国研究。多中国教授/其他中国学生说的话,他们可能本意是好的,但实际上是公然伤害或种族主义。一位教授说Rescuerabbit123(楼主ID)是他教过的最好的非裔学生。言下之意显然是非裔美国学生与其他学生不同,只能相互比较....这至少是我看到它。我的一个好朋友说,在所有的严重,“你说中文很好,很多黑人才可以勉强说英语。”

My boyfriend is Chinese, mostly because we connect on academic interests and on an emotional level, but also I admit it might be because of my subconscious interest in both his home country's culture and history. His mother has said blatantly racist things about me to him and doesn't want me dating him because of both my class and race. She has told him that I'm only at our college because of affirmative action, asked him how he can find people like me attractive, alluded to the fact that I was aggressive because I'm black. His father likes me but on multiple occasions has commented on how other black people are lazy, stupid, or destroying America.

我的男朋友是中国人,主要是我们在学术兴趣方面把我们情感联系起来,但我承认这可能是因为我对他的祖国的文化和历史潜意识的兴趣。他的母亲公然对我种族主义,不希望他和我约会,因为我和他不同种族。她告诉他,我能读这学校只是出于人权(??),他怎么能找我这样有的人,说道事实,我是积极的,因为我是黑人。他的父亲很喜欢我,但在多个场合曾这样评价其他黑人是如何懒惰,愚蠢,或摧毁美国。

This makes me seriously want to reconsider my major, my interests, often times my feelings for my Chinese friends. I have on many occasions experienced colorblind racism from white or even other black friends, but never such blatant, unapologetic disdain or racism toward blacks. I just want to know why. TL; DR I've faced a lot of blatant racism from Chinese people, moreso than from any other group, why is this?

这使我认真想重新考虑我的专业,我的兴趣,很多时候我的感情,我的中国朋友。我已多次经历肤色种族主义从白人甚至其他黑人朋友,但从来没有这样赤裸裸的,毫无歉意不屑或种族主义对黑人。我只是想知道为什么。 TL DR(??)我从中国人面临着很多公然的种族主义,比其他地方更多,这是为什么?

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[–]ZiggyZombie 30 分/分 1 年 ago

I will tell a story that may help, may not. My co-teacher/friend asked to explain why there is discrimination and racism against Blacks in America. I said, "well I imagine it's similar to the reason they are discriminated against in China." She replied, "No, there is no discrimination in China." I just starred at her. "If I found a black American," I said, "who had been teaching English for 5 years, and had a masters in education, would our boss hire him?" She said, "Well no, but not because of discrimination, because the parents would not want there kids being taught by a black person." "... That's basically the definition of discrimination."

I think a lot of it comes from pure ignorance. They just don't know anything about another culture, and have all these crazy asumptions and steryotypes that they pick up from... fucking god knows where. If you cannot speak Chinese/they cannot speak English, all they have is that stereotype.

我讲一个故事,可能会有所帮助,可能不会。我问老师和朋友在美国为什么对黑人有种族歧视。我说:“我想类似于他们在中国受到歧视的原因。”她回答:“没有,中国没有歧视。”我只是复述她的话。 “如果我发现了一个黑美国人,”我说,“教了英语5年,并有硕士教育,老板会不会雇他?”她说:“哦,不,但不是因为歧视,因为父母不希望有孩子被黑人教。”“......这基本上是歧视的定义。”

我认为很多的歧视来自于纯粹的无知。他们只是不了解另一种文化,(???)…该死的上帝才知道哪里。如果你不能说中文/他们不能说英语,他们都只有个印象。

[–]amarcord 8 分/分 1 年 ago

China operates in a state of de facto apartheid (concentration of almost all wealth, and power within the communist party hierarchy) with its 50+ minorities and still nobody seems to notice or discuss discrimination within the system.

中国事实上是一个种族隔离的状态(几乎所有的财富和权力的集中在GCD),50+个少数民族仍然似乎没有人注意或讨论系统中的歧视。

[–]Kooglemoore 5 分/分 1 年 ago

Yeah let's not even get started on the Tibetans, Uighurs, and Mongolians. This thread would go on all night.

偶也 来开始讨论XZ,畏兀儿,梦姑,能谈一晚

[–]bluelovin 6 分/分 1 年 ago

Sorry to pester, but I'm very interested in this. What type of discrimination do Tibetans, Uighurs, and Mongolians face in China? If you please.

抱歉打扰,但我对此很感兴趣。XZ人,畏兀儿人 蒙人 在中国遭遇什么类型的歧视?知道的话请说吧。

[–]sasha_says 8 分/分 1 年 ago

I'll assume this is a serious question and give a short reply. The Tibetans, Uighurs and most of the other minorities tend to live on the western outskirts of the country, generally desert or mountainous conditions. The Tibetans religious leader is persecuted and his successor has "disappeared." The government encourages Han (the majority) to move to these locations and "dilute" the local culture and ethnic population via schooling, intermarriage etc.

我认为这是一个严重的问题,给一个简短的答复。Z族、W族和其他少数民族住在西部,一般沙漠或山区。XZ宗教领袖被迫害,他的继任者”消失了。“政府鼓励汉族(绝大多数)迁移到那里,通过教育、通婚“稀释”当地文化和种族人口等。

[–]mjot_007 33 分/分 1 年 ago

You're situation is pretty much my life right now. I'm black, my boyfriend is Chinese and his parents (mostly mother) are very racist. The mom tries to convince my boyfriend (who I live with) that we should break up because she is too ashamed of our relationship to see anyone she knows. She says that his dad's illness is his fault because the stress of his son dating a black girl was too much. These are just 2 recent examples of the crazy shit she says and thinks. I've dated another Chinese guy who's parents accused me of stealing money from (nevermind that I had a job and he didn't) so it is actually pretty prevalent. In my experience Asians are one of the most racist groups of people I've ever encountered. I don't have a lot of advice as I'm still dealing with it myself. But my advice would be to branch out to some of his extended family. Some of my boyfriend's aunts and cousins have met me and while they don't approve of me, it's not because of racism, it's because they dislike the tension in the family. So it's more like they don't like the whole situation but they do like me a bit. Starting with other family members can go a long way towards finding some family support and can help influence the mom and dad into at least keeping their mouths shut around you as the rest of the family just wants to get over it. It's still stressful and it does put some strain into my life, even though none of it is my fault. But remembering that I have the support of my boyfriend, and some approval from extended family can help a lot.

I hope you find this helpful!

你的情况是几乎是我现在的生活。我是黑人,我的男朋友是中国人,他的父母(主要是母亲)非常种族主义。他的妈试图说服我的男友和我分手,因为我们的关系让她觉得丢人,她说,他爸爸的病​​是他的错,因为他的儿子和一个黑人女孩约会让他亚历山大。这些都是疯狂狗屎的例子。我另一个中国男友(。。。)的父母指责我偷钱的(别介意,我有工作,他没有),它是相当普遍的。在我的经验中,亚洲人是最我遇到种族歧视的群体。我没有很多的建议,我还是自己处理的。但我的认为是家庭观。我男朋友的一些姑姑和表兄弟见过我,虽然他们不赞同我,不是因为种族歧视,因为他们不喜欢家庭的紧张局势。所以它他们不喜欢这个情况但他们喜欢我。从其他家庭成员可以有助于发现一些家庭支持,可以帮助影响妈妈和爸爸为至少保持沉默的人在你家里的其他人只是想克服它。还是压力,它把一些应变闯入我的生活,虽然这是我的错。但是记住我男朋友给我的支持,和一些大家庭可以帮助很多的批准。

希望能帮助你。

[–]rescuerabbit123[S] 12 分/分 1 年 ago(楼主)

Dude... hugs. I'm sorry. His mom is getting bad but hasn't accused me of that much shit. Also I think Chinese moms bluff hardcore. My SO is just like fine disown me now, which she will never do because he's the good son, so she hates it but backs down a little.

我很抱歉。他妈妈越来越坏但并没有指责我。我也认为中国妈妈们虚张声势。(。。。无力)。

[–]mjot_007 5 分/分 1 年 ago

Yeah my situation is a bit different cuz the mom has a long(untreated) history of mental illness as well, and she's always kind of hated my SO but he's the oldest son so tradition comes into play. Are your SO's parents immigrants from China or were they born in your country? Part of my way of dealing with this is remembering that his parents are from China instead of the US and that means they will be more extreme in how they act. But if they were from the US I don't think there could be any excuse for their behavior.

是的 我的情况有点不同,因为他的妈妈得了很久的精神病(未治疗)(WTF?),她总是讨厌我的,但是他的大儿子很传统。你所以的父母从中国移民或者他们出生在你的国家吗?我的部分的处理方法是记住他的父母来自中国,而不是美国,这意味着他们将来有更极端的行为。但如果他们来自美国的我不认为会有任何借口为他们的行为。

[–]rescuerabbit123[S] 8 分/分 1 年 ago(楼主)

Dad is Cantonese, born out of country and is more accepting. Mom is 2nd generation American, can barely speak Chinese... yea.

他爸是广东人,出身于国外 更接受我,他母亲是二代美国华人,几乎不会说中文


本文内容于 2014/1/7 10:09:31 被小编a27编辑

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7楼jingie

我虽然不种族歧视

我绝不会接受一个黑人成为自己的妻子

我想,绝大多数中国人都有这种想法吧


我发现一个很有趣的问题

这篇文章有很明显的痕迹,是把其中一些“美国”替换成了“中国”,然后前后文略作修改,但是因为文章结构问题,没有办法改彻底。

也许是我神经质了?楼主怎么会如此恶劣呢?

比如最后一句,体会一下:

“他爸是广东人,出身于国外 更接受我,他母亲是二代美国华人,几乎不会说中文”

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9楼a5818

他妹的中国人到了非洲国家不也受到黑人的歧视吗,你还觉得委屈了,嫌委屈了不要来中国呀!靠!

7楼 jingie
我虽然不种族歧视

我绝不会接受一个黑人成为自己的妻子

我想,绝大多数中国人都有这种想法吧

是啊,美国白人和黑人共同生活了300多年才刚刚开始相互接受;中国人和黑人才刚刚开始接触呢。


在中国人眼里,恋爱意味着结婚,最讲究门当户对,也就是个人经历、家庭背景、经济条件、道德修养乃至于日常行为都要匹配。要说种族主义,个人认为应该是一个民族对另一个民族的偏见,打心眼里的瞧不起!楼主所说的这种行为没有普遍性,应该不算种族歧视的!

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