中国和日本哪个军力更强?看看雅虎网民的观点

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中国还是日本,哪个军力更强? 译文来源:原文地址:http://news.*******.com/china-japan-wields-more-military-clout-141543841.html正文翻译

中国新设立的防空识别区将舆论的目光重新拉回到中日的领土争议中

现在人们普遍认为中国拥有领导亚洲的军事力量。可没那么快呢。事实上,那个位置属于日本。是的,就是日本。

近日,亚洲军事权威分析师沃策尔表示,虽然战后的日本宪法中写明了:日本作为一个主权国家将永远放弃发动战争的权利,而且日本的军事力量还有着一个温和的名字“自卫队”,但是你绝对不会想去惹它的。

只看数字方面的话,日本远远落后于中国。日本在役的军人只有中国的十分之一,战斗机只有中国的四分之一,军舰的吨位也只有中国的一半。

但是现代战争的关键因素是训练和科技,就这些方面来说的话,日本的水平轻松的抛开了中国。如果两国出于军事策略,而在钓鱼岛争议上不断引发“动态行动”的话,日本将处于优势。

还有另一个因素需要中国将军们好好的考量一下:美国几乎肯定的会介入任何与日本的武装冲突,而且会站在日本一边。最近外交关系委员会的一份报告得出这样一个结论:即使中国最近几年竭尽所能的建设自己的武装力量,但是中国的军事能力和国防科技仍然落后美国至少20年。

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呵呵,一次嵌入式核打击将让美国回到中世纪黑暗年代。总之这篇文章试图阐明日本军队拥有的优势,但是文章满篇都是废话,而且日本除了加强特殊训练,还有什么本事?他们自身的自卫能力就是个笑话,还有,中国的武装力量可以轻松和美军媲美,或者是优于美军。比如每年都会举办的军事竞赛,中国军队每次都会夺冠而且不断刷新纪录,这对你来说就是特别训练和久经沙场,别和我说什么中国没有经历过战争的屁话,在真正的战争中个人能力才是最重要的。在糟糕的越南战争和朝鲜战争时,尽管美国有着逆天的技术优势,美国人在这几场战争中几乎全部死光。我乐于见到这篇文章的作者像个娘们一样躲在日本的短裙下面,他只是为了证明美国还在那里而已。任何一场常规战争的结果都会是日本变成废墟,而中国和美国的经济也会倒退到五十年代。这将是谁比谁活的更久的问题,而中国在经历了120年的革命,两次世界大战和诸多动乱后死亡了超过4000万人,他们依然不倒。显然中国人比任何人都会存活的更久。这就是为什么他们有将近五千年的历史记载。当你在今天问起恐龙的历史时,蟑螂们笑了。

CJ 1 day ago 8 40

If it is a short military conflict over the islands, China does not have advantages; however, if it escalates into a broader and longer war, China does. Military strength is always commensurable to economic power. China fought the US to a tie in Korean war in early 1950s when its economic output was 3% that of US and steel production 1% that of US and food production 20% that of US. Today its GDP is 70%, steel production 8 times that of US, food production equals US and India combined. If it has taken more than a decade without being able to achieve military objective in Iraq and Afghan war for the US, one should pause and think...what would be the outcome of a war with a nuclear powered country like China.

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如果只是一次短暂的岛屿周边冲突,中国不占有优势,总之,如果冲突升级为更广泛和更持久的战争的话,中国将占有优势。军事力量也是本国经济的延伸。中国和美国在50年代的朝鲜战争中打成平手,当时中国的贸易出口额只有美国的3%,钢产量只有美国的1%,粮食产量只有美国的20%。而现在中国的gdp达到了美国的70%,钢产量是美国的8倍,粮食产量等于美国和印度的总和。再过十年,如果中国不像美国那样去伊拉克和阿富汗开战的话,有人该停下好好考虑了。。。和中国这样一个有核国家开战的结果会是什么?

S 1 day ago 6 5

This article is clueless.

Japan in its current state is no match for China in an all out war without US help. Not even close. Japan has no significant weapons system on a scale to deal with China's size and all of its systems are of limited range. It has no missiles that can reach China while China has enough to wipe Japan off the map.

By many accounts China is just 20 years behind US but catching up fast. Japan's best weapons are all old systems from US. But very little is newer than 20 years. US has yet to sell them any new weapons such as F22, F35, new warships etc.

In addition, Japan as an island with little resources is very difficult to defend, as evident in WW2.

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这是一篇无知的文章。

在没有美国帮助的情况下,日本根本不能在全面战争中和中国对抗,甚至不能拿两国来相比较。日本根本没有有效的武器系统来打击庞大的中国,日本的武力覆盖范围是有限的。日本没有能打到中国的导弹,而中国却有足够的导弹把日本从地图上抹去。

很多数据显示中国只落后美国20年,但是中国追赶的很快。日本最好的武器都是美国的老旧装备,但也有极少部分是近20年的新式武器。美国还没向日本出售任何最新式武器,例如f22,f35和新式军舰等等。

再说一句,日本是个资源贫乏的岛屿,非常难于防守,二战时已经证明了这点。

terry Simms 20 hours ago 9 10

Underestimate China and you will find yourself serverly in the #$%$, China has made a lot of allies, and a lot have not forgiven Japan for WW2. China keeps its military progress a well guarded secret whereas I feel Japan is a more known quantity. China would not start a war over this issue anyway, china are more peace loving people who are more interested in conquereing with financial prowess and in this method they are winning far more quickly.

A good example of this is that the Taiwan business people are keen to pressure their government to make amends and jion with China and China will encourage any advantage in this they can, This is how they win not through force like western nations,

China will subtely buy its neighbours as friends, when this happens it will not need to worry about military strength so much. As mentioned here by others North Korea and Russia are both keen to assist China and you can bet that any technical advantage Russia has will be shared with China in the event of conflict,.

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低估中国会把你自己置身在砧板上,中国有不少盟友,其中很多都没有原谅日本在二战中的暴行。中国在军事发展的过程中,保密工作做的相当不错,而日本的军力却已经被人摸透了。中国无论如何也不会为了钓鱼岛争议开战,中国热爱和平,他们更喜欢在经济上征服敌人,而且这种手段也会让他们更迅速的获得胜利。

这有一个很好的例子,台湾商人正在向他们的政府施压,要政府修订政策和加入中国,而中国也尽力的鼓励这种进步。不同于西方国家用武力取得胜利,中国有他的方法。

中国将巧妙的收买自己的邻国,成为他们的朋友。当中国这么做以后,就再也不用担心军事威胁了。就如另外的评论里有提到,北朝鲜和俄罗斯都热衷于辅助中国。我敢打赌,如果真起了军事冲突,俄罗斯一定会把最先进的技术拿出来和中国分享。

Jack 1 day ago 13 14

I think China will be very pleased that the West think about China this way. Those of us that actually follows military hardware from US, China and Japan for the past 20 years knows the real military balance.

But yes, guys please think China is very very weak, so why don't you go try to invade it, I'm sure you will win, I"m sure China will be a push over like they were in the 1880s when the 8 nation alliance burned down the Chinese imperial palace.

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我认为西方这么看中国,中国会非常高兴的。我们日本人确实买了美国的军备,中日两国在过去的20年认识到了真正的军事平衡。

但是,请你们把中国想的非常非常弱小,那为什么你们不去试试侵略中国呢?我很肯定你们会获得胜利。我也很肯定中国会像1880年代那样,被八国联军狠揍一顿再烧掉皇宫的。。(译注:看此人的英语水平应该是日本人。另圆明园是在1860年被英法联军烧毁。八国联军入侵北京是在1900年)

Sam-Os 1 day ago 4 15

Anyone that knows history knows that Japan is historically the belligerent nation. Way before WW2 all the way back to the 1500's they were trying to invade Korea and China. Only with their utter defeat by the US they have bowed and if you allow the Japanese to become fully nuclear and militarized they'll stop taking US orders. China on the other hand in their 2,000+ years of history mainly fought themselves certain kingdoms invaded other nations but China for a long time was not 1 nation. In modern times they've had short term invasions into Vietnam and in Korea to fight the US..even against the Soviets. Most of their conflicts have been over territorial disputes.

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任何读过历史的人都知道日本在历史上是一个好战的国家。在二战之前的1500年代,日本试图入侵朝鲜和中国。只有被美国彻底打败后他们才屈服,而如果允许日本拥有核武器和军事正常化,日本就不会再听美国的话了。中国又不一样了,在中国2000多年的历史里主要是为统一而内战或者是入侵别国,但是中国在很长的一段时间里都不是一个统一国家。在近代,中国为了对抗美国,短期入侵了越南和朝鲜。中国甚至抗击苏联。中苏的大部分冲突都是领土争议导致的。

Mt Hikes 1 day ago 12 17

China, in over 4000 years, have the unique distinction among the great civilizations of the world of having lost every war they ever participated in (it got so big by demographically swallowing every annexing conqueror and warlord).

(Technically, they were on the winning side of WWII, but even on the day Japan surrendered, more of China was under Japanese occupation than all of Japan.)

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在中国4000多年的历史里,有着自己独特的伟大文明,他们输掉了所有参与过的战争。中国之所以这么大,是因为他们用人口反噬了每一个征服者和军阀们。技术上,他们是二战的战胜国,但是即使在日本投降的那天,中国的大部分依然在日本的占领下,这些占领区比日本本土还大。

new yorker 1 day ago 8 14

cant believe the chinese are 20 years behind the U.S. .the chinese are making parts for our military aircraft,,and missile componets ,,no telling what else they manufacture

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不能相信中国落后美国20年,中国人正在制造我们战斗机的零件,还有导弹的元器件,请别告诉我他们还在生产什么了。

Wade Foster 1 day ago 11 8

Thank you, thank you, thank you. It is amazing how ignorant people become by only reading Yahoo news articles and then not reading deeper into these themes. As a scholar, I have been saying it for years, that Japan's military is stronger than the Chinese military. Why do you think the Chinese have not really gone and just set up on these islands? Of course there is the deterrent of the United States, but even without the US, Japan could handle China. While China has the manpower, technology renders them obsolete. All it means is the Chinese hordes gather together and make an easy target for the Japs. And this is while Japan is only in "self-defense" mode, although I doubt that's the reality underneath. If Japan becomes militant even a little bit again, they will become quite powerful and China may never have the capability to spar with them. Who knows? Another Nanjing massacre in the future? The Japanese just completely overran the Chinese in WWII, and they could probably do it again. They may be a few years ahead of the Chinese militarily, but they are centuries ahead of them intellectually.

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太谢谢你了。真是难以置信,愚昧的人们只看雅虎新闻而不会去看深度报道。作为一名学者,我已经提出这个观点很多年了,日本的军事力量比中国的强大。为什么你们会认为中国人没有真正的消失,而是又出现在这些小岛上呢?中国确实是美国的威胁。但是就算没有美国,日本也能处理中国。中国有的是人力资源,但是技术革新令中国落后了。这意味着中国人在大量集结的时候,将会是鬼子们的极好目标。而日本现在只有“自卫”模式,我怀疑可能就是现实。只要日本在激进一点点,他将变得非常强大,而且中国可能永远都没有能力和日本对抗。谁知道会不会在将来又会有一次南京大屠杀?日本人在二战中完全占领了中国,而且他们也可能再来一次。日本可能在军事上只领先中国几年,但是在智慧上却领先中国几个世纪。(译注:此人的评论被疯狂吐槽)

(译注:以下评论全部是回复最后一条评论的)

C. Leach 1 day ago 3 7

The Japanese most certainly did not over run the Chinese in World War II, in fact their war against the Chinese was a massive failure in spite of their having even greater technological and organizational skills at that time. Their massive superiority in these skills led them into a terrible morass that undermined the advantages they had. China has improved tremendously in their internal structure and have still access to the resources that Japanese needed so badly to expand their nation into a leading first world nation. They could have likely done it had they kept out of China, not attacked the USA and moved into South East Asia replacing the European colonial powers who were so busy with Germany at the time. They were unfortunately spread far too thin with their China adventure to withdraw and were equally worried about the Soviet Union. They made several bad strategic moves that that time, but today China is ever more of a threat than at that time. Diplomacy would have been the answer then, would be a better approach now. For both sides.

日本人在二战时绝对没有占领全中国,事实上,日本攻击中国是一个巨大的失败,尽管日本在当时相对中国有更好的科技和组织能力。这些巨大的优势反而令日本人深陷泥潭,逐渐失败。中国在当时已经极大的改善了内部结构,而且仍然可以获得日本严重紧缺的资源。日本本想利用这些资源发展跻身第一世界的领导。那时的日本似乎是可以达成那个目标的,前提是它不要染指中国,不去攻击美国,还有不要进军东南亚去代替那些正在忙于和德国交战的欧洲殖民者们。不幸的是,日本在中国的冒险行为把自己的战线拉的过长了,而且还要同时提防苏联。日本在二战时的一些战略决策很糟糕,但是今天的中国要比当时有威胁多了。外交谈判是解决两国争端更好的方法。对双反来说都是有利的。

paul 1 day ago 3 4

right now, even US dare not fight against Chinese, not to mention japs. you must be daydreaming. and since you never say sorry to the 250000 innocent civilians killed by 2 atomic bombs from your country. and now you say you want to protect them. only make me sick

就算是美国现在也不敢攻击中国,更别说日本鬼子了。你肯定是在做白日梦。还有,你绝对不会为你国家死于两颗原子弹下的25万无辜平民感到愧疚。而你现在却说要保护他们。真让我觉得恶心。

RobertF 1 day ago 2 2

The Japanese didn't overrun the Chinese in WWII? Is that a joke? I can't believe the PLA is trolling ******* news.

日本人在二战时并没有完全占领中国?你在搞笑吗?难道现在雅虎新闻被解放军控制了?

James 1 day ago 1 1

PRC's One -Child-Rule is creating a country that will not tolerate casualties. Why, parents do not want to lose their retirement program. If the PRC cannot send tens of thousands over the hill, they cannot win. As far as their military infrastructure, anyone remember the 1975/76 intervention in Vietnam? The Taiwan intimidation fleet exercise debacle? Et. al.? Also never forget their fragile economy. In any conflict, a disruption in imports of oil would be devastating beyond belief. As for drones, can you say pulse (say about 50 Mega-Joules)?

中国大陆的独生子女政策,正在令到这个国家不能承受伤亡。为什么?他们的父母可不想无人养老。如果中国大陆不能将成千上万的人投入战场,那么中国就不会赢得胜利。至于中国的军事基础设施,大家还记得1975年对越南的干预吗?台湾舰队的恐吓演习失败了吗?还有其他的?另外也不要忘记中国脆弱的经济。在任何军事冲突中,切断进口石油的补给将造成难以置信的毁灭性打击。就如对于无人机来说,你能说脉冲频率吗(大约为50千焦耳?)

jane 1 day ago 2 2

#$%$ you are telling lies,why you say nanjing massacre in the future, why not pearl harbour bombing in the future, go to hell, you just want me curse some rati bad words.

你在说谎,为什么你只说未来会有南京大屠杀,为什么你不说未来还会有偷袭珍珠港?去死吧,你是不是只想讨骂来了?

Hathaway

Hathaway 1 day ago 1 3

At the start of the 2nd Sino-Japanese War in 1937, the Imperial Army of Japan, with their vastly superior weaponry and training, planned to conquer the whole of China in 3 short months. Instead, they were led into a quagmire for 8 long years, without having been able to capture half of the Chinese territories. Because of the tenacity of the Chinese resistance, they were angered and frustrated and began committing atrocities and massacres against the civilian population until the Americans finished them off with the two A bombs.

1937年,中日战争爆发,日本帝国陆军带着远远优于中国的武器和训练,计划三个月灭亡中国。然而他们却深陷泥沼8年,并且未能占领中国一半的领土。日本人气急败坏,开始犯下暴行和屠杀无辜的平民,直到美国人用两颗炸弹解决了日本人。

Skeptic 1 day ago 3 0

Japan has the corrupt Chinese officials to thank.

日本该向中国的贪官们道谢。

paul 1 day ago 1 2

leach's such a devil from hell. he's even expecting another massacre in china. dame you . I'm so sad there's lots of God-damed guys living in here US soil like you. and you're going to make US getting worse.

层主就是恶魔。(译注:这为美国朋友喷错了,层主是foster,leach是为中国说话的。)他竟然还期待着在中国的又一次大屠杀。去你妹的。我很难过在美国住着很多像你一样的白痴混蛋。还有就是你们让美国越来越糟糕。

check type 1 day ago 1 3

Wade Foster,

What kind of "scholar" are you? What is there to compare Japan and China's military?

Japan's armed force should be an armed force in the first place because it is technical illegal to have a armed force for being the country defeated in WWII.

The whole idea of China had not started a war with Japan is a stupid concept. What would motivate China to start a war. Since when China had ever started a war with Japan? The opposite is often true if you look back at the history.

The idea of saying that China would attack Japan is like pondering whether Israel would attack Germany. That is unlikely to happen.

But would Israel defends itself if German attacks it? I think so.

If you compare the relationship between China and Japan. Try thinking about the relation between Israelis and the Germans.

层主,

你到底是哪路“学者”啊?你又是如何对比中国和日本的军力的?

日本的武装力量首先只能是武装力量而不是军队,因为它在技术上来说就是非法的,因为日本是二战战败国。

中国并没有和日本开战是一个愚蠢的看法。中国有什么动机去开战呢?难道是因为中国从未对日本挑起战争?如果你去读读历史,真相往往是相反的。

我的意思是说中国攻击日本就如同以色列会去攻击德国。这不太可能会发生。

但是以色列会不会防御德国的进攻呢?我认为肯定会。

如果你想去对照下中国和日本的关系。试着思考一下以色列和德国的关系。

Let's be fair 5 hours ago 0 1

Wake Forest...I can't believe you called yourself a scholar...go back to shoot some JAV. Kim moe geee................

层主,我不敢相信你竟然称自己为学者。。你还是回去看看日本动作片撸几发吧。ki 摸 ji(译注:这句日文广大网友应该非常熟悉)

Wade Foster

Wade Foster 4 hours ago 2 0

hahaha. @Paul, go back to China.

(层主)

哈哈,paul,回你的中国去吧!


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