李光耀:中国的高速发展源于邓的新加坡之行 引发网民争议

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导读:(《福布斯》,9月17日) - 除非有什么重大破坏,否则中国GDP总量增长的速度将使其能够赶上美国,到2020年,中国将继续前进超越美国。1978年至2011年期间中国高达10%的年平均增长率是邓小平1978年新加坡之行的结果。他随后决定实施经济改革,并向国际投资开放经济。在同一时期,美国经济的年增长率为2%到3%。尽管过去数年中在欧洲有金融债务危机、在美国有市场动荡,但中国经济继续保持强劲增长。根据世界银行的统计,中国8.22万亿美元的经济现在是世界上第二大,而美国经济规模是15.68万亿美元
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李光耀:中国的高速发展源于邓的新加坡之行  引发网民争议


(《福布斯》,9月17日) - 除非有什么重大破坏,否则中国GDP总量增长的速度将使其能够赶上美国,到2020年,中国将继续前进超越美国。1978年至2011年期间中国高达10%的年平均增长率是邓小平1978年新加坡之行的结果。他随后决定实施经济改革,并向国际投资开放经济。在同一时期,美国经济的年增长率为2%到3%。尽管过去数年中在欧洲有金融债务危机、在美国有市场动荡,但中国经济继续保持强劲增长。根据世界银行的统计,中国8.22万亿美元的经济现在是世界上第二大,而美国经济规模是15.68万亿美元。中国是世界上最大的出口国和第二大进口国。最近的全球经济危机使中国拉近了与世界顶级发达国家之间的经济差距。2012年中国人均GDP是9233美元,而美国是49965美元。到2020年预计中国人均GDP达到10000美元,预计是美国的五分之一。中国的人口在2012年是14亿,美国是3.165亿。到2020年预计中国人口保持美国的4倍。中国的经济增长将继续以高得多的速度增加,因为其经济增长的基础相较之下非常巨大。

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论坛地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-245532-1-1.htmlGreat Asia: Rating: +34 (from 36 votes)

伟大的亚洲(译注:作者ID)

已经说了很多次,来自中国的竞争对新加坡的冲击就像1000米高的海啸。

然而,盲目的李光耀及其无用的人民行动党团队仍然试图干翻新加坡人。

哈哈哈!

中国没有创新?

你瞎眼了,李光耀!

哈哈哈!

中国的高增长是邓小平的新加坡之行的结果!?

好家伙!!现在新加坡的经济增长正在放缓,许多新加坡的部长已经去中国访问...那为什么我们的增长远远少于中国!!??

龍的传人: Rating: -11 (from 17 votes)

(译注:原文为中文)

中国经济的腾飞的成绩应归成于本国的领袖的劝告和引导之下才有如此傲然的佳绩!

过去自我封闭闭门造车,至今日改革开放,我国一步一脚印耐心的授教经济管理等管理哲学,终于花开见结果!

希望中国领导者能秉承我们的敎导,继续发扬光大扬眉吐气!

DecisionByOne: Rating: +18 (from 18 votes)

What kind of beast has he created?

他造出了什么样的禽兽?

Sg = North Korea Lite?: Rating: +24 (from 26 votes)

Oh really, what is this old man blabbering again? Is he overrating himself again?

I thought China’s opening up to the world economy is with the help of business tycoon Mr. Robert Kuok?

哦,说真的,这老头又在瞎扯什么?他再次高估自己了吗?

我认为中国对世界经济的开放是由于商业大亨郭鹤年先生的帮助,对吗?

李显虫: Rating: +35 (from 35 votes)

This old man’s head is growing so big that even China’s growth is attributed to him!

PAP must be kicked out in 2016!

这老头的脑袋膨胀得如此之大、以至于把中国的增长也归功于他!

人民行动党必须在2016年被踢走!

sickopap: Rating: +23 (from 23 votes)

he has imprisoned many of his political opponents for years on end now karma has returned to haunt him

he is now imprisoned inside his own body unable to move but mind is active

he should live like this for years on end to tell us what it is like to be imprisoned for 32 years

Long live the emperor

他已经把他的政治对手囚禁了很多年,结果现在报应回来困扰他了

他现在被囚禁在自己的身体里无法动弹,但头脑还很活跃

他应该像这样生活了多年,最后告诉我们被囚禁32年是什么样子

皇帝万岁

oxygen: Rating: +14 (from 14 votes)

HIS VISION IS OCCASIONALLY BLIND OF SELF-CONTRADICTION – just look at what he said of demographic being the driver of economy – that led him to conclude this assertion – “like it or not, unless we have more babies, we need to accept migrants”

GUTTER RUBBISH!

Why??? He now brags China will overtake America in GDP but can that happen when China is swept by a FAR BIGGER ADVERSE DEMOGRAPHIC TSUNAMI than Singapore which this prediction now totally ignores?

Here is how fast enrolment in primary and secondary schools DROP in China in 2011 and 2012 as a rough guide of the Chinese demographic tsunami now sweeping.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/china-unprecedented-demographic-problem-takes-shape

How come demographic driver of BIG YOUNG POPULATION is a “CHANGING SEASON” in this China growth prediction?

His “wisdom” predictions make NO IMPRESSION on me, fortunately.

他的看法偶尔自相矛盾而愚昧无知 - 只要看看他说的人口是经济的驱动力量(就行了) - 这使他得出这一论断:“不管喜欢与否,若不生更多孩子,我们就需要接受移民。”

阴沟里的垃圾!

为什么???他现在吹嘘中国的GDP将超过美国,但这有可能发生吗?因为中国被比新加坡不利得多的人口海啸横扫,而这是现在这个预测所完全忽略的。

2011年和2012年中国中小学注册学生快速下降,这可看作中国遭人口海啸横扫的一份粗略的指南。

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/china-unprecedented-demographic-problem-takes-shape

巨大年轻人口的驱动力量在一个“变动的季节”该如何支持中国的增长预测呢?

他的“智慧”的预测让我毫无印象,这真幸运。

The Leveller: Rating: +13 (from 13 votes)

LKY looks MORTIFIED is he DEAD or is this how he will look like when he is DEAD after the mortification?

李光耀看起来很苦恼。他要死了吗?或者这是苦恼之后将死时的样子吗?

scottish rite: Rating: +15 (from 15 votes)

在1950年代,毛主席宣布:“苏联的今天就是中国的明天。”

现在,在公开场合说这样的话就是一项反革命罪行。但在寻找效仿的国家时,中国的高级领导人邓小平想到了一个局部模板,一个在许多方面与中国起初的革命原则背道而驰的模板。

这模板就是新加坡。

当邓小平先生在1992年年初前往中国南方,谋求排挤强硬派并争取更快的经济自由化时,他只提到三个国家的名字:日本、韩国和新加坡,全都因其强健的发展而被引用。他做的最有启发性的陈述之一是这样的:

“新加坡的社会秩序相当好。其领导人实行严格管理。我们应该学习他们的经验,我们的工作应该做得比他们好。”

中国应该比新加坡做得更好,这是邓小平设定的标准,这一点非常特别。他们不会盲目效仿我们,而只从我们新加坡的经验中学习。

那就是丢弃许多新加坡已经实施的有缺陷的政策,而只采用对中国经济改革完美无瑕的的少数政策。

BuyMeBakKutTeh: Rating: +11 (from 11 votes)

My neighbour bought a Ferrari because he visited my home and saw the many scaled Ferrari I displace in my cabinet.

我的邻居买了一辆法拉利,因为他参观了我的家,看到了我放在橱柜里的很多微缩版法拉利。

Hello Howdy: Rating: +15 (from 15 votes)

LKY can’t even ensure that his PAP stays in power and he pontificate about China !

李光耀甚至不能确保其人民行动党掌权,却在自大武断地说中国!

Andi: Rating: +12 (from 12 votes)

LKY, since you’re such a massive fanboy of China, why the heck are you still HERE??!!

李光耀,既然你是中国的铁杆粉丝,那到底为什么你还在这里??!!

Really got no shame?: Rating: +16 (from 16 votes)

Why don’t this toad just say that China’s high growth rate is attributable to the old toad giving good advice to Deng??? You mean Chinese leaders cant think?

Really got no shame???

为什么这只癞蛤蟆只是说中国的高增长率是由于老癞蛤蟆给邓提供的好建议???你的意思是中国领导人不能思考?

真的没有羞耻吗???

Oh Jungle!: Rating: +12 (from 12 votes)

WO Singapore, Deng would well have sought to learn from countries like Korea, Japan, maybe even HK territory in a discreet way. What talking lky? You fry char kway teow, doesn’t mean those learn from you cannot do a better fried kway teow than you. Btw, you are not the only one knowing how to fry char kway teow. If you are the only one, then we can say people learned from you. Was Singapore the only one who knew how to “char kway teow”?

和新加坡一样,邓小平也在以谨慎的方式寻求借鉴韩国、日本等国家,甚至是香港地区。李光耀说的是什么话?你能做炒河粉,并不意味着那些学习你的人不能做比你更好的炒河粉。顺便说一句,你不是唯一知道如何做炒河粉的人。如果你的确是唯一的,那我们可以说人们是从你那里学来的。新加坡是唯一知道如何“炒河粉”的吗?

Tan Choon Hong: Rating: +19 (from 19 votes)

So Deng was a frog in a well and never heard of South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong? Don’t forget, Singapore is a late carbon copy of the other three Asian tigers, but to date has failed to produce anything indigenous of significance on the global scene like those of Hyundai, Samsung, LG, HTC, Acer, Asus, etc.

所以,邓小平是个从未听说过韩国、台湾和香港的井底之蛙吗?不要忘了,新加坡是其他三个亚洲小龙的一个迟到的翻版,但迄今为止未能产生像现代、三星、LG、宏达电、宏碁、华硕等在全球舞台上有影响力的任何本土(企业)。

Obsessive Trumpeter: Rating: +8 (from 8 votes)

Somehow, it reminds me of Suzhou Park!

不知怎的,这让我想起苏州工业园!

Paul: Rating: +6 (from 6 votes)

China high growth was mainly due to their country has vast resources, strong culture history, numerous universities couple with right political leader to implement right economic policies. Deng’s visit to Singapore was just a tour for him to see the capitalism system practised by singapore. This is not a factor in china fast development reasons.

中国的高增长主要是由于他们的国家拥有丰富的资源、雄厚的文化历史、众多大学,再加上合适的政治领导实行正确的经济政策。邓小平访问新加坡只是一个旅游,让他看到了新加坡实行的资本主义制度。这不是中国快速发展的原因之一。

Kau Poon Hong: Rating: +6 (from 6 votes)

Thought it was told to the Grand Mentor’s face: ” You do not know our problems”.

想想看,对着大导师的脸教训:“你不懂我们的问题。”

Lye Khuen Way: Rating: +4 (from 4 votes)

You got the correct gist of what the late Deng actually thought of Singapore. Our Man would like to believe that Singapore was THE model that China emulated 100%. No leader ever do that.

scottish rite: ...

(译注:引用内容略)

你掌握了已故的邓小平对新加坡的想法的要点。我们的人愿意相信,新加坡是中国100%效仿的模板。但没有领导人会这样做。

Pink Panty Loong《卖国老贼李光尿?叛国王八李粉龙?走狗保姆吴作用》: Rating: +11 (from 11 votes)

Not so bad la guys, at least he didn’t say that the World is in a mess now because of him stepping down from the political scene to become a sleeping MP in Tanjong Pagar. Hahahahaaa…by the way, he’s not gone for good yet? Am getting a little inpatient here…

没有那么糟啦,伙计!至少他没有说,世界现在一团糟是因为他从政治舞台上退下来、成为丹戎巴葛一个昏睡的议员。哈哈哈哈...顺便说一下,他还没有好转吗?我开始在这里住院(几天)...

Lim: Rating: +5 (from 5 votes)

HE actually believed & boasted that “China’s high average rate of growth–about 10% annually–was the result of Deng Xiaoping’s 1978 trip to Singapore and his subsequent decision to implement economic reforms and open the economy to international investment”?

So he claims credit? I just don’t know what to say – laugh or cry at such absurdity. I mean can this assertion even remotely contain any grain of truth?

他真的相信&夸口说“中国高达10%的年度平均速率增长率是邓小平1978年新加坡之行的结果。他随后决定实施经济改革,并向国际投资开放经济。”吗?

所以他就声索赞扬?我只是不知道该说些什么 - 对这种谬论是该笑还是该哭。我的意思是这一论断含有任何一丁点道理吗?

Million Dollars Ministers: Rating: +5 (from 5 votes)

If China’s high growth was the result of Deng’s trip to SG,

then,

today’s miseries and betrayal that many true blue S’poreans suffered,

is,

because of PAP ?!!!

如果中国的高速增长是由于邓小平的新加坡之旅,

那么,

今天的许多真正忧伤的新加坡人遭受的痛苦和背叛,

因为人民行动党?!!!

best dream: Rating: +7 (from 7 votes)

I dream of the e**l dying old man lky was torture and suffer in hell @ level 19 specially mended for him. Never in my life, I feel so good and fresh waking up this morning.

我梦想魔鬼般的垂死老头李光耀在专门为他修的19层地狱受严刑折磨。在我的生命中,我从未像今天早上醒来般感到新鲜舒爽。

A True-Bred Singaporean: Rating: +10 (from 10 votes)

Dear Fellow Singaporeans,

This mother of all Chinese traitors (was Japanese running dog during the Japanese Occupation, a British Colonial lapdog and a betrayer to the Chinese culture of the Singaporeans) is really a low-life scumbag to the core. His whole family will be condemned to the deepest of the deepest in the Hell.

Just because Deng made a trip in Singapore and this scumbag now wanted to claim all the credits for the economic glory of China today.

I have the utmost respect for all old people. But for this old scumbag, I just can’t wait to pee at his grave.

亲爱的新加坡人,

这个所有中国汉奸之母(在日本占领期间是日本走狗,是英国殖民者的宠物狗,还是新加坡中华文化的叛徒)确实是个短命的人渣核心。他的整个家庭会在最深最深的地狱里受罚。

仅仅因为邓小平在新加坡走了一趟,这个卑鄙的人就想要将中国今天的经济荣耀全部归于他。

我对所有老人都有最高的敬意。但对于这个老混蛋,我等不及想要在他的坟头上尿尿。

VTO2016 1 VOTE: Rating: 0 (from 2 votes)

come on, everyone, this is the same fact as the LHL was invited to attend and give a speech at the recent G20.

What was written in his facebook as reported? Every G20 leader reports to him on the progress on the economic situation…… 战果累累呀 It was very fruitful

来吧,各位,这与李显龙最近受邀参加G20峰会并发表演讲是同一个事实。

在他的facebook上所写的报告是什么呢?每个G20领导人向他汇报经济形势的进展...战果累累呀,成果真是非常丰硕

Mainstreet Citizen: Rating: +6 (from 6 votes)

As if Singapore is the only country Deng visited and as if senior Lee did not visit other countries (U.S.A. , Japan, Canada, Australia, Switzerland, Italy, England, South Korea, etc.) which was already developed long before Singapore was developed!

就好像新加坡是邓小平访问的唯一国家似的!就好像高级的李某没有访问那些在新加坡很久就已发达的国家(美国、日本、加拿大、澳大利亚、瑞士、意大利、英国、韩国等)似的!

ShangrilaNepotism: Rating: +5 (from 7 votes)

Sg = North Korea Lite?: ... (译注:引用内容略)

Are you sure?! How come in China, the common people don’t even know who Robert Kuok is? Stop spreading propagandistic lies over the internet for this old f**t opportunist. Some day he may even end up like the Indonesian Tycoon who went bankrupt recently. Wilmar has yet to come clean with the yearly haze from their Indo palm oil plantations. Show us the maps. We are waiting!

你确定吗?!那为什么在中国,普通人甚至不知道谁是郭鹤年?别在互联网上用谎言为这个怯懦的机会主义者宣传了。甚至可能有一天他像最近破产的印尼大亨一样终了。丰益国际目前尚未清除在印尼棕榈油种植园上的长年阴霾。让我们看看地图。我们正在等着!

daft: Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

If he is so confident about unstoppable China, we do not need so many investment people in GIC. Just allocate the bulk of the funds to China.

如果他对不可阻挡的中国这么有信心,那我们不需要新加坡政府投资公司(GIC)的那么多人,只要把大量资金分配到中国去就行了。

Trinity: Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

Those who think India can beat China are idiotic.

那些认为印度可以打败中国的人是白痴。

still a singaporean: Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

It is just self promoting to say that China’s high growth was the results of DXP’s visit to Singapore. Don’t forget the Hong Kong and Taiwan investments and influence were well ahead of Singapore’s…and DXP’s decision to pursue market economy may have started after his visit but that doesn’t mean that it was Singapore’s business model that helped spurred growth.

Suzhou is a good example how Chinese can manage more successfully than our elitist civil servants sent there.

So please be more humble even if we did help, I think the Chinese will appreciate better our contrbution than to try to take undue credit which had and will continue to back fire.

I have met many very intelligent and capable Chinese both in China and Singapore. Their leaders work longer hours, are paid much less, and many are smarter than our very own. Their issues on hand are more complex and they can easily teach our leaders a few things than the other way around.

说中国的高增长是邓小平访问新加坡的结果,这只是自我宣传。别忘了香港和台湾投资和影响力远超过新加坡...邓小平决定追求市场经济可能开始于他的访问之后,但这并不意味着是新加坡的商业模式帮助刺激了经济增长。

苏州是个很好的例子,说明中国可以比我们派往那里的精英公务员管理得更成功。

所以,即使我们提供了帮助,我认为更加谦逊能使中国人更能体会我们的贡献,而不是索取那些已经并且将要继续回火的过度赞誉。

我在中国和新加坡都遇到过许多非常聪明和有能力的中国人。他们的领导人工作时间更长,报酬却少得多,而且很多人都比我们自己人更聪明。他们手头的问题更复杂,他们可以轻松地就很多事教导我们的领导人,而不是以周围其它方式行事。

Never a PAP voter: Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

If Harry Lee was “instrumental” in changing China, and have predictions for all of these, then why is Temasek Holdings struggling and losing our CPF money, and now the only solution is to overcrowd the place and push up HDB prices so that CPF money cannot be used for anything much but to finance HDB loans.

You can filter out some of these news agency, those that have strong links with PAP, while others being very careful how they thread the crocodile infested waters.

如果哈利·李是在“工具性地”改变中国、并预测了所有这些,那为什么淡马锡控股公司在苦苦挣扎、损失了公积金钱?现在唯一的解决办法是挤在一起推高组屋的价格,这样公积金钱除了组屋贷款外不能大量地用于其它东西。

你可以过滤掉那些与人民行动党关系紧密的新闻机构,而其他新闻机构则会小心翼翼地穿过鳄鱼出没的水域。

hee hee hee: Rating: +1 (from 1 vote)

If HE can say that the Japs allowed him to go back home to collect his clothes before going back to be shot , then I suppose HE can say anything!

如果他能说日本鬼子在枪毙他之前让他回家收衣服,那我认为他能说任何事情!

dds: Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

I think it is an over simplification to think that China made a major policy decision by just talking to Singapore.

认为中国作出一项重大决策而只同新加坡讨论,我认为这过于简化了。

dds: Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

Din’t forget china’s major source of help: the global Chinese diaspora already endowned with immensed wealth, skills, knowledge and education.

still a singaporean: ...

(译注:引用内容略)

不要忘记中国的主要帮助来源:散居全球的华人捐赠了大量的财富、技能、知识和教育。

dds: Rating: 0 (from 0 votes)

I find you are a one of good contrarian indicator for investments.

oxygen: ...

(译注:引用内容略)

我发现你是良好的反向投资指标之一。


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