英国航空论坛网友评论:中国军事工业的巨大胜利!

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导读:新闻背景: 红旗9远程地空导弹作为中国的第一种国产第三代防空导弹,让中国具备了较强的区域防空能力。FD-2000防空系统为中国红旗-9号地空导弹系统外贸版。 中国精密机械进出口总公司(CPMIEC )赢得了数十亿美元的土耳其防空系统大订单——这一消息在2013年9月26日出现在众多媒体的报道之中。报道称,参与此次土耳其竞标的包括美国的“爱国者”、欧洲的“紫苑”、俄罗斯的S-400以及中国的“红旗-9”防空导弹,不过最终“红旗-9”(出口型称作FD-2000)一举中标。 --------

新闻背景:

红旗9远程地空导弹作为中国的第一种国产第三代防空导弹,让中国具备了较强的区域防空能力。FD-2000防空系统为中国红旗-9号地空导弹系统外贸版。

中国精密机械进出口总公司(CPMIEC )赢得了数十亿美元的土耳其防空系统大订单——这一消息在2013年9月26日出现在众多媒体的报道之中。报道称,参与此次土耳其竞标的包括美国的“爱国者”、欧洲的“紫苑”、俄罗斯的S-400以及中国的“红旗-9”防空导弹,不过最终“红旗-9”(出口型称作FD-2000)一举中标。

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I'd have to say that the news is quite unexpected to me. I had always assumed that FD-2000 (and S-400 for that matter) was only included in the competition in order to drive a better bargain given threat from NATO that Chinese missiles won't be allowed to integrate with the rest of NATO system.

My guess is that this is not a done deal yet. Surely US and European firms will mount a major media storm to try to derail this decision.

我必须得说,这个消息完全超出我的预料。我一直认为FD2000(和那个S400)仅仅是用来施压北约以压低价格的,中国的导弹不允许与北约的系统兼容。

QuantumFX

unexpected indeed...

doubt this is a done deal though

确实没想到…

怀疑这个事是已经内定的。

Showtime 100

Why doubt? You expect Turkey to buy a missile system which Greece already has of S-300 and Patriot system?

As for Aster 30 , I guess it just too expensive and not much better or even inferior compare to HQ-9.

Take control of yrself and u will control the world!

楼上,为什么怀疑呢?你估计土耳其会买一个希腊已经拥有的S300和爱国者系统?

至于紫苑30,我猜它就是太贵了,而且并没有更先进,甚至不如HQ9。

自力更生才能征服世界!

j10fighter

Well, Turkey still buys F-16 even though Greece uses F-16, too. However, Russia's close ties with Greece does not help it win the Turkish bid.

My speculation is that favorable terms on technology transfer and price are the biggest factor in FD-2000 winning the bid. Turkey has strong aspiration for developing an independent arms industry with as little foreign constraints as possible. Any tech transfer from US and America would likely be limited and comes with a number of restrictions attached.

Nevertheless, this news represents a tremendous victory for Chinese arms industry. For China to win a major missile bid against US and European competitors in a NATO country is not an easy task by any means. It has to shows that FD-2000 is at least comparable to PAC-3 and S400. Even if the deal ultimately still fall through in the end (I give it 40% chance of success), it will still boost sales prospect to other potential foreign buyers.

即使希腊有F16,土耳其也还是买了F16。但是俄国与希腊走得太近了对赢得土耳其的订单不利。

我猜技术转移和价格是FD2000获胜的最大因素。土耳其一直有发展独立自主的军事工业以摆脱对外依赖的抱负。任何美国的技术转移都极可能有大量的限制条件。

然而,这个新闻表明了中国军事工业的巨大胜利。无论如何,对于中国来讲击败美国和欧洲的竞争对手赢得一个北约国家的主要导弹订单都不是一个容易的事情。这也确实表明中国的FD2000至少可以和PAC-3和S400相媲美。即使这笔交易最终落败(我认为有40%成功的机会),对于其他潜在的买家也会有很好的促销效果。

QuantumFX

errr..... Turkey is NATO member like Greece. Any western equipment Greece buys (example F-16, C-130 etc), are available for Turkey and vice-verse. S-300 the Greek Cypriots got were S-300 PMU1 but what Russia offered Turkey was the S-400 which is the most advanced version cleared for export.

This probably has to do with price and offsets, and for China its a massive breakthrough no doubt, but I wouldn't be surprised if the US gate crashed the party.

楼上,土耳其和希腊一样是北约国家。任何希腊能够买到的西方装备(F16,C130等)土耳其都可以买到,反之亦然。希腊塞浦路斯的S300是S300PMU1,而俄国提供给土耳其的是最先进的S400。

这一定和价格和补贴有关,对于中国是巨大的进步,如果美国搅黄这笔交易我也不会感到吃惊。

Showtime 100

Your source is wrong. Russian never offer S-400 to Turkey bid. Buying S-300VM will almost means Greece will also most likely how to counter your own system.

Take control of yrself and u will control the world!

楼上,你的依据就是错误的。俄国从没有提供S400给土耳其。买S300VM几乎意味着希腊也极可能知道怎样应对。

把握自己,征服世界。

j10fighter

Well, the Reuters article did quote S-400 from Russia. Though I wouldn't be surprised if non-military news agency screw up on such details :-). What's your source?

Last edited by j10fighter; 27th September 2013 at 07:52.

楼上,路透社的文章确实说的是S400。虽然军事新闻在这些细节上犯错我一点都不奇怪,笑。那你的来源是什么?

QuantumFX

Even if it was S-300VM that would still be far superior to the S-300PMU-1 Greece has. S-300VM lacks some features like the 400km 40N6 of the S-400 but is still a very potent systems.

即使是S300VM也比希腊的S300PMU1先进。S300VM缺少出的一些优势,像S400的400公里的40N6,但始终是非常有效的系统。

El_Indigo

S-400 isn't offered currently and for a long time for export to anyone.

Chinese won because they offered tech transfer and also were by far the cheapest.

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Even if it was S-300VM that would still be far superior to the S-300PMU-1 Greece has. S-300VM lacks some features like the 400km 40N6 of the S-400 but is still a very potent .

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S-400 itself still lacks 40N6.

Also the current S-300VM on offer have had an update. Though older version of the S-300VM at that time was offered to Turkey.

S400目前还不能提供,要很长时间才能出口。

中国能赢是应为技术转让和便宜得多。

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即使是S300VM也比希腊的S300PMU1先进。S300VM缺少出的一些优势,像S400的400公里的40N6,但始终是非常有效的系统。

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S400自己也还没有40N6。

目前提供的S300VM也已经升级了。虽然那时提供给土耳其的S300VM也是老版本。


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个人认为,这取决于土耳其的安全全评估。如果它认为自己国家的安全受到威胁,那么它很可需要北约的支援而放弃同中国的合同。而如果认为暂时没有威胁,只是认为需要自己拥有一套导弹的技术的话,那么可以购买中国的红旗导弹。因为技术买下来后自己生产的话,就可以不说是中国的导弹了,而是土耳其自己的国产导弹。北约没有理由不让它入网吧?

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这就是一个理智的人结合自己的收入和需求,在iphone土豪金,三星note3合约机,Lumia 1520和米2中做出的选择~


5楼mmp8

不得不说英国人的评论很文明也很理性,我们很多网民也应该学学才得。

我想了又想 这个买卖更多的性价比 吧???15套 美帝的 爱国者开价钱76亿美刀 这个太贵了 俄国佬本来就土耳其有矛盾这个次来的又不最好货色 再说了坑爹的 售后服务 , 法国佬的紫菀 也不便宜的 那像中国只要30亿 还给一些简单的技术 至少土耳其能简单小毛病自己就搞定。

公说公有理,婆说婆有理,总之,交易的背后都是大国在搏弈,摆桌面上的都是花招,真正的实情平常百姓是不可能知晓的。

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