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土耳其人

i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.

我很高兴,因为我们未来会在我们自己的项目里得到技术。也没有导弹系统的条件限制。我只有一个担心,我们是否可以相信中国的系统。但是我确信军方和国防部已经考虑过这一问题了。

土耳其人

FD 2000 CONGRULAT企一匀 CH丁A

FD 2000,恭喜中国。

印度人

China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.

So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .

But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .

中国是除了美国以外唯一一个发展反卫星武器的国家,向世界展示他们的实力。

所以任何怀疑中国能力的人都应该摘掉无知愚昧的眼镜,好好看看。

中国是唯一一个肯向土耳其转移技术的国家。

但是因为土耳其北约成员,因为北约成员的安全问题,我认为他们不能选择中国的系统。

土耳其人

They already have.

The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.

已经选好了。

今天已经做出了采购中国系统的决定。

土耳其人

What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.

他们提供的比我们称为“朋友和盟友”的人能提供的更多,合乎逻辑的结果。

土耳其人

I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.

从一开始我就支持HQ9,这是个好选择,依靠引进的技术我们自己的系统将发展的更快。

巴基斯坦人

Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.

好选择,HQ9在很多方面都对土耳其最有利。

罗马尼亚

I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...

我从没想过会这样…一个北约国家会放心的将主防空系统交给中国…

土耳其

FD-2000 Export HQ-9

7-24km against cruise missiles

7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles

7-125km against aircrafts

7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles

And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.

Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :

FD-2000 出口型的 HQ-9

7-24km反巡航导弹

7-50km反空对地导弹

7-125km反飞行器

7-25km反PGM和战术弹道导弹

并且我们会得到技术。所以我们在15~30年内将有能力发展自己的系统。

土耳其

I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.

我想看美国和北约对这个决定的评论。

土耳其

Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.

没错。现在在土耳其这可是爆炸性新闻。美国和北约可能对这个决定感到震惊。我想要听听中国的观点,特别是关于这一系统的细节,以及中国的新闻。能看到这些就好了。

巴基斯坦

Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +

Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.

恭喜,武器来源多元化一直很重要(译注:武器来源一元化才是根本,那就是自己造)。

也显示了在过去的十年里中国的武器已经多么成熟。

土耳其

I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.

我想看看与其他系统比较中的支持与反对。

印度

So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .

Bad looking HQ-9 --->

所以土耳其是巴基斯坦之后第二个获得这一系统的国家。

HQ9不好看。

巴基斯坦

Yet better than anything India has !

回楼上,比印度所有的都要好!

土耳其

i hope one thing. this is not bad china production

我希望一件事,不要是差劲的中国产品。

中国

Rest assured,China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。

But for Turkey and for a major defence user,you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。

Apart from affordability,the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors(US,the EU and Russia)。They are getting better and better。

楼上,放心,中国提供各种质量的产品,取决于不同的预算。

对于土耳其,你可以拿你的房子来打赌中国会做到最好。

除了钱包,好消息是中国的技术正在快速赶上竞争对手(美欧俄)。越来越好了。

印度

A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.

The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them

The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.

干得好,双赢的结局。

中国人赢得出口订单,显示了他们的硬件和北约国家提供的一样好。

北约会观察中国同时代的武器系统,帮助他们评估和发展对策,如果需要。

土耳其

I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400

我希望我们选择紫苑30或S300/400。

巴基斯坦

Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).

是的,北约也对S300做了逆向工程(希腊有S300)。

土耳其

What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...

我担心的是,中国人不会蠢到给我们的版本与他们使用的HQ9相同,对于土耳其这样的国家所处的位置…(译注:名字就不同,FD2000,HQ-9)

巴基斯坦

What are the basis of your suspicions?

楼上,你怀疑的依据是什么?

巴基斯坦

Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?

那么为什么土耳其选择红旗9呢?不是美国或欧洲系统?

加拿大

China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.

What more can one ask for?

中国的出价更慷慨,技术转让和联合生产。还能要求什么呢?

中国

I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.

For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed

我确定这是一个土耳其政府和专家问过很多次的问题。他们必须考虑技术和经济作出决定。但我认为最大的影响是政治上的。土耳其政府告诉另一个大个我们是独立的国家,想从谁哪买就从谁哪买。这可能在近期会遇到点麻烦。但长期来讲对国家是有利的。

对中国来讲,我们很高兴欧洲的发达国家选择我们的武器。我只希望这件事是真的,祈祷。

土耳其

We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).

我们的空中力量100%依靠美国。拥有独立的防空网可能是主要的驱动力。对于技术转移来讲性能是第二位的(同时便宜25%)。

巴基斯坦

Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!

哦,某些国家要生气了。恭喜!

德国

Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.

Greece do the same.

朋友?国家之间不可能成为朋友!他们只是盟友、伙伴,但不是朋友。

希腊也是这样做的。(译注:指希腊的S300)

中国

To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.

说实话,向北约国家共享最先进的技术我感到不舒服。

土耳其

You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.

楼上,你说的有道理,但是中国将武器卖给了高端用户,北约国家。这已经证明了在国际上中国国防工业的进步。

加拿大

China most likely have better tech in store.

看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。

罗马尼亚

Greece do the same.

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That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.

Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.

希腊也这样做

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这个事比较复杂。它是双赢的,因为S300并没有以塞浦路斯终结,并且就我所知系统不和北约的完全兼容。我认为基于中国的土耳其的系统也是独立的。北约官方反复说如果他们这样做将不会和北约有数据连接。

或者别越野是赢家,因为他们能过得到中国技术的重要依据,并且至始至终这都在计划内。

巴基斯坦

China most likely have better tech in store.

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Well every country holds back a brick !

看样子中国还有压箱底的更好的技术。

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每个国家都会留一手!

德国

Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!

明白!可能土耳其发现转换中国和北约系统的方法,或者他们有自己的技术(与北约兼容),谁知道呢?中国也在S300上做同样的事情。

土耳其

I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.

Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.

我相信技术转移是关键。只要我们有完整的原代码包括指令和控制,我确信我们有办法与其他系统连接。

希腊没有办法兼容是因为俄国没有分享技术。他们已经要求俄国执行北约标准,但显然没有被接受。然而我们可以自己解决兼容性的问题。

孟加拉

Communists have penetrated NATO

GCD已经渗透到北约了。

中国

HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3

DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.

HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.

HQ-19=战区高空防御系统

HQ-26 = SM-3(标准3)

DN-2(动能2)是中国独特的地球静止轨道反卫星和中段拦截系统,这些技术中国会握在手里。

HQ-9是成熟可靠的技术,远远不是中国目前最先进的技术。

土耳其

Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?

楼上,HQ9是S300的升级版本吗?

中国

Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.

Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.

不是,HQ15是S300的升级版,但是HQ9是自家的产品,但是也受到了S300的启发。

买HQ9并不是买了中国山寨的S300,而是买了结合S300特性和中国对美国爱国者的理解的防空导弹系统。

巴基斯坦

If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?

如果希腊有S300,土耳其为什么不能有HQ9?

土耳其

man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.

楼上,伙计,这很好但是我确定希腊的S300与伊朗和其他国家的不同。

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