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i am glad, because we will get the tech for our own projects in the future. also there will be no restrictions on the missiles/systems. One thing i was worried was if we could trust chinese systems, but i am sure The military and Defence ministry have figured that out.
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China is the only country other then US to develop Anti satellite weapon and demonstrated the world about thier ability and advancement.
So who ever is in doubt about chinese ability should remove the glass of ignorant and search around .Chinese are the only country that will transfer the tech to turkey .
But Because Turkey is Nato Member i think they cannot go for chinese system for security concern of nato member .
They already have.
The decision for procurement of the Chinese systems has been made today.
What they offered was better then what our "so called" friends and allies were offering, logical result.
I supported HQ-9 from the very beginning, it's a good choice, with this incoming new tech we will move faster about our own system.
Great choice - HQ-9 with TOT will most definitely benefit Turkey in many ways.
I never thought things would pan out this way...A NATO country entrusts its main AA system to China...
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7-24km against cruise missiles
7-50km against air-launched ground attack missiles
7-125km against aircrafts
7-25km against PGMs and tactical ballistic missiles
And we will get the Tech ,so we will have ability to make our own system in 15-30 Years.
Because BMC is now History we can forgot these 8x8 Version :
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I would like to see the US or NATO comment on this decision.
Yeah that's right. It's breaking news in Turkey now, US&NATO is probly shocked about the decision. I'd like to hear Chinese members opinions over that, as well as detailed specs about the system, and the news from Chinese sources. That'd be great if I get them.
Congrats, having multiple sources for weapons is always a +
Also shows how much Chinese weapon systems have matured over the last decade.
I would like to see the pro's and cons in comparison to the other systems.
So turkey will be the second country after Pakistan to Acquired this system .
Bad looking HQ-9 --->
Yet better than anything India has !
i hope one thing. this is not bad china production
Rest assured，China offers products of varying qualities to suit users with different budgets。
But for Turkey and for a major defence user，you can bet your house on China doing its best and being on its finest。
Apart from affordability，the real good news is that Chinese technologies and systems are fast gaining on its main competitors（US，the EU and Russia）。They are getting better and better。
A good move here. Win-win for all parties involved.
The Chinese score an export order, showing their hardware good enough to make even a NATO country acquire them
The NATO will have access to a contemporary Chinese weapon system, helping them evaluate it & develop newer counter-measures, if need be.
I wish we would had chose either Aster-30 or S-300/400
Yes NATO also did a REVERSE ENGINEERING on S-300 (Greece has the S-300).
What I worry about is, the version that the Chinese folks will give us won't be much effective as they are not stupit enough to give a system like HQ-9 with ToT to a country in Turkey's position...
What are the basis of your suspicions?
Then why turkey chose HQ-9? What was not present in american or european systems that turkey chose HQ-9?
China's offer is pretty generous - TOT and co-production.
What more can one ask for?
I'm sure it's one question the Turkish government and experts asked many, many times. You'd think they must have made a sound decision technically and financially. But I think the biggest impact is on the political side. The Turkish government is telling the other big boys that they are an independent country who is not to be forced to buy or not to buy anything from anyone. This might get them into a little bit trouble in the near short term. But it's going to be good for the country in the long run.
For China, of course we enjoy the fact that our weapons are approved by an advanced country in EuropeI just hope the story is true. Fingers crossed
We already rely on US 100% for our airforce. Having an independant AA network was probably one of the main drivers. And I believe the capabilities of the system were secondary to the generous tech transfer we have been offered (along with 25% cheaper price tag).
Oh this is going to peeve a few nations. Congrats!
Friends? Countrys cant be friends! They can be allies/partners, but not friends.
Greece do the same.
To tell you the truth i'm not comfortable with China sharing some of its most advanced SAM technology with a NATO country.
You have point but China sold his weaponry to a high-end user, Nato member country. This alone proves how much China improved in Defence Industries in the International arena.
China most likely have better tech in store.
Greece do the same.
That was a complicate affair,it was win win as the S 300 didn't end up in Cyprus and as far as i know that system isn't fully integrated with NATO.I think that the chinese based turkish system will be stand alone,NATO officials repeatedly said that if they go this way it won't be data linked with NATO.
Or,it could be a win for NATO as they get their hands on a important piece of chinese technology and that was the plan all along.
China most likely have better tech in store.
Well every country holds back a brick !
Understand. Mayby Turkey find a way to switch both (China/Nato) systems, or, they get the technology base for its own (Nato compatible) system. Who knows? China do the same with Russian S-300!
I believe tech transfer is the key here. As long as we have access to the complete source codes including the command and control, I am confident we can find a way to interface them together.
Greece had no way of integration since Russians never shared the tech with them. They would have been required to submit NATO specs to Russians which would abviously be unacceptible whereas we can do the integration ourselves within Turkey.
Communists have penetrated NATO
HQ-19 = THAAD & HQ-26 = SM-3
DN-2 is China's unique GEO ASAT and midcourse interception system, China will have these techs in store.
HQ-9 is a mature and reliable tech, but it is far from China's most advanced tech for now.
HQ-26 = SM-3（标准3）
Isnt the HQ-9 an upgraded variant of the S-300?
Nope, HQ-15 is an upgraded Chinese variant of the S-300, but HQ-9 is China's home made, but it only got inspired by some features of the S-300.
Buying HQ-9 is not just buying a Chinese copy of S-300, it is buying a SAM that incorporates both advantage of the S-300 and US patriot from a Chinese perspective.
If Greece can have S-300, why cant Turkey have HQ-9s ?
man...it'd be good but, i'm sure that the hellenic s-300s are not the same as Iran's and other nations s-300s.