中国想用J31对抗美军F35 看印网民如何评价

印度防卫网:中国希望用第四代战斗机J-31从美国争夺战机销售份额。环球网特约军事评论员雷泽的一篇文章中说,“8月23日下午,第四代隐形战斗机J-31鹘鹰再次进行了试飞。有消息说,最近该战机的测试特别频繁。这次测试是继8月8日和18日后的(第三次)。相比7月份只进行了一次测试,J-31的试飞频率已显著增加。”J-31战机的出现将使美国难以依靠出口F-35战机赚钱。

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China hopes to snatch sales from US with J-31 4th-generation fighter jet

中国希望用第四代战斗机J-31从美国争夺(战机)销售(份额)Huanqiu.com says in an article by its special military commentator Lei Ze, “In the afternoon of August 23, test flight of the J-31 ‘Gyrfalcon’ fourth-generation stealth fighter was carried out again.

Sources say that recently the fighter has been tested with unusually great frequency. The said the test flight followed those on August 8 and 18. Compared with only one test flight in July, the frequency of the J-31 test flights has significantly increased.”

环球网特约军事评论员雷泽的一篇文章中说,“8月23日下午,第四代隐形战斗机J-31鹘鹰再次进行了试飞。

有消息说,最近该战机的测试特别频繁。这次测试是继8月8日和18日后的(第三次)。相比7月份只进行了一次测试,J-31的试飞频率已显著增加。”

The emergence of the J-31 fighter jet will make it difficult for the US to make money by exporting its F-35 fighters. Hong Kong’s Singtao Daily points out: At present, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia and other countries have all purchased US F-35 fighter jets, but the occurrence of one fault and technical problem after another in the test flights of the F-35 has given rise to worries and even dissatisfaction among those countries.

The stealth fighter is a milestone in the world history of military aviation. It is of great strategic importance in the international relations and geopolitical strategic situation in the Asian-Pacific region. China’s development of stealth fighters has to some extent become an important phase of the Sino-US strategic game.

J-31战机的出现将使美国难以依靠出口F-35战机赚钱。香港《星岛日报》指出:目前,日本、韩国、新加坡、澳大利亚和其他国家都已购买了美国的F-35战斗机,但在F-35试飞以后出现的一些故障和技术问题,已经引起了担忧,甚至在这些国家之中(造成了)不满。

隐形战机是世界军事航空史上的一个里程碑。它在亚太地区的国际关系和地缘战略形势中具有重大的战略意义。中国隐形战机的发展在一定程度上成为了中美战略游戏中的重要部分之一。

In December 2011, in order to counter the rapid development of the Chinese air force, Japan ordered 42 F-35As in spite of the high price of US$150 million per fighter. However, at the same time, the UK delayed its decision on purchase of the F-35s to 2015, while Italy reduced its purchase from 131 to 90. Canada said that it would order 60 F-35s, but no firm order has yet been placed.

Experts in the industry expect that when the J-20 and J-31 are launched on the international market, undoubtedly they will take away some market share from the F-35, as it will provide a new option for those countries who have not made a decision on purchase of the F-35. They will be especially attractive to those countries that the US is unwilling to export weapons to.

在2011年12月,为了应对中国空军的快速发展,尽管每架达到了1.5亿美元的天价,日本依然订购了42架F-35AS战机。然而,在同一时间,英国决定将购买F-35战机的时间推迟到2015,而意大利购买的数量则从131架降到了90架。加拿大表示,将订购60架F-35,但尚未明确定下这份订单。

业内专家预计,当J-20和J-31在国际市场上推出时,毫无疑问它们会从F-35那里带走一定的市场份额,因为对于那些没有下定决心购买F-35的国家,提供了一个新的选择。它们将对那些美国不愿意出口武器的国家特别有吸引力。

The Wall Street Journal said in its report on November 11, 2012 that China’s aviation industry was as advanced as Russia’s in many areas except jet engines. Increase of Chinese export of aircrafts will greatly injure Moscow’s interests.

Huanqiu.com says: “The US media finally exclaimed: ‘The test flights of the J-31 indicate China has finally become the only country other than the US that is developing two types of stealth fighters. This is a development of great significance. It may have profound repercussions on the export market of static aircraft and US troops.’”

华尔街日报2012年11月11日在其报告中表示,除喷气发动机以为,中国的航空工业在许多领域已经赶上俄罗斯。中国飞机的出口增长将极大地损害莫斯科的利益。

环球网声称:“美国媒体最后感叹道:”J-31的试飞表明,中国终于成为了美国以外,唯一一个正在开发两种隐形战机机型的国家。这是一个具有重要意义的进步。它可能对飞机的出口市场和美军具有深刻影响。”

What is more troublesome for the US is that once the J-31 has equivalent performance as the F-35, it no longer makes sense to purchase expensive F-35s. Undoubtedly, the emergence of China’s fourth-generation fighters represented by the J-31 will be the “Hiroshima nuclear explosion” in the world weapon market. It will dislocate the existing setup of international weapon trade, entirely change the division of labour in the world weapon industry and put an end to the US monopoly of high-end fighter market.

Source: mil.huanqiu.com “Frequent test flights of J-31: China develops 4th-generation fighters to snatch market from the US” by huanqiu.com special military commentator Lei Ze (excerpt and summary translated from Chinese by Chan Kai Yee)

对美国来说比较麻烦的是,一旦J-31具有了F-35同等的性能,再购买昂贵的F-35将不再有意义。毫无疑问,中国第四代战机J-31的出现,将在世界武器市场引起“广岛核爆”。 现有的国际武器贸易设置将被打乱,完全改变了世界兵器工业的劳动分工并结束了美国一家垄断高端战斗机市场的现象。

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[indent]layman(印度)

As much as we know Chinese capabilities, and quality of products, would like to have proper tested fighters. But way to go for Chinese great work

正如我们所知的中国能力和产品质量,希望能妥善地测试完飞机。这方面中国人干得不错。

——————————————————[/indent][indent]Vritra(印度)

This article makes several assumptions:

What is more troublesome for the US is that once the J-31 has equivalent performance as the F-35, it no longer makes sense to purchase expensive F-35s.

Highly unlikely that will happen any time soon. China is still a decade away from being able to compete with the west as far as electronics go, and that's an optimistic estimate, taking into account how quickly they've progressed in the past few years.

Experts in the industry expect that when the J-20 and J-31 are launched on the international market, undoubtedly they will take away some market share from the F-35, as it will provide a new option for those countries who have not made a decision on purchase of the F-35.

Aside from China itself, none of the other listed nations are likely to even entertain the idea of buying the J-31 over the F-35.

Hong Kong’s Singtao Daily points out: At present, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Australia and other countries have all purchased US F-35 fighter jets, but the occurrence of one fault and technical problem after another in the test flights of the F-35 has given rise to worries and even dissatisfaction among those countries.

And what of the "technical problems" in the J-31 project? China is unlikely to let any tales of those slip through the iron curtain. With complex military aircraft projects, technical problems occur as a rule, and I very much doubt the issues the Chinese military brass reportedly had with the J-31 were because it came in the wrong colour...

本文做了几个假设:

“对美国来说比较麻烦的是,一旦J-31具有了F-35同等的性能,再购买昂贵的F-35将不再有意义。”

不大可能会很快发生,考虑到有多快的话,就算他们已经在过去几年有了进展,中国仍然在电子领域与西方竞争者存在着十年的差距,而且这是一个乐观的估计。

“业内专家预计,当J-20和J-31在国际市场上推出时,毫无疑问它们会从F-35那里带走一定的市场份额,因为对于那些没有下定决心购买F-35的国家,提供了一个新的选择。”

除了中国自身外,自娱自乐的认为会买J31而不是F35,在所列的其他国家中根本不可能出现。

“香港《星岛日报》指出:目前,日本、韩国、新加坡、澳大利亚和其他国家都已购买了美国的F-35战斗机,但在F-35试飞以后出现的一些故障和技术问题,已经引起了担忧,甚至在这些国家之中(造成了)不满。”

那J-31项目的“技术问题”又是什么呢?中国是不可能让任何事故的传言通过铁幕(透露出来的)。复杂的军用飞机项目,技术问题的出现是有规律的,我很怀疑的问题是(实验阶段的)中国军事装备是黄铜色的,据报道的J-31(并不符合)因为它使用了错误的颜色(涂装)。

Smestarz(印度)回复Vritra(印度)

maybe the yanks can buy from China, install their avionics and sell as F-35 NG .. hahaha

也许美国佬会从中国买,装上他们的航空电子设备后当做“下一代F-35”来卖。。哈哈哈

Layman(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)

That is great idea

这是个超好的主意

Smestarz(印度)回复Layman(印度)

I mean you can ask customers if they are interested in F-35 NG.

Cost wise it might fit the cost of F-35 as earlier required (few performance issues here and there might be there)

Since the Chinese apparently are in production, thus the delivery of "F-35 NG" should speed up.

That would actually put USA in better terms with customers saying "We can offer you NG version at promised price so either you can accept NG version, or you can wait for the Lockheed version to be ready.. the choice is yours"

Thus China gets the "orders" America has F-35 new version "available for sale" and the countries which really want something from 5th Generation planes will have something too, and we my friends will get the EVALUATION REPORTS which I believe everyone is eager to have.

我的意思是,你可以问问客户,如果他们对“下一代F-35”感兴趣的话。

成本方面它可能像F-35处在早期时所需的成本一样(总有这里或那里可能会出现性能问题)

显然由于是中国人来生产,从而交付“下一代F-35 的速度应该加快了。

实际上让美国处于更有利的条件是对顾客这么说:“我们可以为您提供下一代型号,也承诺是你可以接受下一代型号的价格,或者你可以等待洛克希德版准备妥当。。由你来选”

因此,中国得到了“订单”,美国F-35有了新型号“可供出售”,同时这两个国家真的很希望从第五代战斗机中获得一些东西,而且最终是会获得的。还有我们,我的朋友将获得“评估报告”,我相信每个人都渴望拥有。

Layman(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)[/indent][indent]It is fine, but had be mentioned that F35NG is categorically and substantially low quality. Becoz i seriously have doubts on their quality of their fighter as none is yet to be proved in a combat scenario. And verification is dubious and their shrouds of secrecy is compelling.

这很好,但必须指出“下一代F-35”必定且会大幅度地降低质量。我严重怀疑他们的质量,原因他们的战斗机截止目前尚未被证实经历过实战。还有该证明是存疑,他们的保密工作向来是令人佩服的。

Smestarz(印度)回复Layman(印度)

And my dear layman for a choosy customer like you, we might ask you to wait for the A B and C version which you had ordered, and whose cost might have overrun, don't say we did not offer you a chance...

And if the Americans have problem with the chinese planes, they can just refuse to pay the debt back to Chinese... "solve this problem first then talk of money"

我亲爱的layman,你很像一个挑剔的客户。我们可能会问你,等你订购了A、B和C型后,其成本可能会超支,那时不要说我们没有为您提供一个机会。。。。。。

如果美国人对中国的飞机有什么不爽的地方,他们可以拒绝支付欠中国的债务嘛。“先解决这个问题,再跟我谈钱”

Layman(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)

Sorry even if offered at cut throat price, we wont buy it. Offer a chance ? rejected even before offering. We as of such know their quality jus by mimicking the planes doesnt mean that they can suit the purpose.

Americans why they go for crap.

对不起,即使给了一个跳楼价,我们也不会买它。给选择机会了吗?以前甚至拒绝供货。我们知道其质量,模仿地很像的飞机并不意味着他们就能符合(设计)初衷。

美国人为什么要着这废物。

Smestarz(印度)回复Layman(印度)

The "crap" can fly, and well if you do put in the right avionics and engines, it can be good plane.

Anyway as I said there is NG to offer hahaha

It might be a very very very bitter pill for USA to swallow if they do take J-31 and make it into f-35 NG as I suggested..

or they can call it F-35 Lite indicating that its watered down version hahaha

这“废物”可以飞,而且如果你安装了合适的航空电子设备和发动机,它能成为一架好飞机。

总之如我所说提供的是“下一代”呐,哈哈哈

这个能是美国吞下的一个非常非常非常苦的苦果,正如我建议的:将J31改造成“下一代F35”

或者他们可以称它为F-35简化版,表明其是一个打了折扣的版本,哈哈哈

Layman(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)

Lite version sounds like sheep in lion's skin... Nope we wont take it.

Btw, Is there any proven capabilities of J31, any reference as of such.

简化版听起来像披着狮子皮的羊,我们不会要这东西的

顺便提一句,有什么可以证明J-31能力的么,如此文章一样的任何引用。

Smestarz(印度)回复Layman(印度)

Sheep in lions clothing is good, at least the wolf will be scared..

Everything abt it is secret...

披着狮皮的羊也不错嘛,至少可以吓吓狼。

任何有关于它的事情都是机密。

Layman(印度)回复Smestarz(印度)

That is the whole issue, It can rival F35 by structure but it has the highest possibility of being a Dud considering Chinese manufacturing qualities and speed of R&D.

这是就整个问题所在,它可以媲美F-35的结构,但考虑到中国制造研发的品质和速度,它有很高的可能性成为中看不中用东东。

——————————————————————[/indent][indent]Halloweene(荷兰)

When did South Korea buy F35??

韩国什么时候买F35了??

D1C1(印度)回复Halloweene(荷兰)

no they interested in F-15 SE.

没啦,他们感兴趣的是F-15SE

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三哥你们的LCA搞好没有,全地球唯独你们印度阿三没资格对中国的飞机品头论足!

哈哈 像这种话题还能指望印度网民说出什么好话吗 我随便问一下 印度的那个推迟十几年的LCA和阿琼怎么样了 卖给你们里面零件的那个国家还在生产吗

也许J31性能比不上F35,但是J31现在还在实验阶段,F35已经开始卖了,虽然卖的不怎么好,买家也不怎么满意,但是在美国制造的一个接一个的危机中,日本是肯定要大买的了,袋鼠应该也不甘落后,一句话,F35是用来卖人的,不是用来打仗的。

不能大意,我们的J31不一定能干得过印度的LCA,因为印度的飞机烧的是神油,不是航空煤油。

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也许J31性能比不上F35,但是J31现在还在实验阶段,F35已经开始卖了,虽然卖的不怎么好,买家也不怎么满意,但是在美国制造的一个接一个的危机中,日本是肯定要大买的了,袋鼠应该也不甘落后,一句话,F35是用来卖人的,不是用来打仗的。

等兔子发动机起来,双发打爆F35。我真提阿三捉鸡自己的光辉弄了三十年还没出来啊琼坦克连自己军队都不要航母才完成百分之三十就下水了核动力潜艇下水三次才启动核反应堆。还好意思喷兔子的姬31要不要脸啊?兔子现在的雷达虽然和美帝有一定差距但是美帝也不是完爆兔子的存在。兔子雷达最多落后美帝十年,发动机那只是材料问题迟早会解决我的预测如果不出以外的话一五年兔子发动机就差不多出来了,到时候雷达会跟接近美帝。双发 而且价格又便宜,性能又和F35差不了多少。美帝的F35只会把你坑死

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