美网民激烈讨论:蒙古是中国的一部分吗?

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What is known as 'Inner Mongolia' on theborder of Russia and theindependent state of Mongoliais an autonomous region belonging to the People's Republic of China.

Mongoliadeclared their independence in 1911, however, the Republic of China had otherplans for the region. Chinese forces occupied part of Mongolia until Russia invaded in 1920. Russia decided to support the creation of anindependent, communist government in Mongolia. With the Soviet Union'shelp, Mongoliaonce again declared their independence -- ten years after the first attempt --on July 11, 1921.

官方:不是,蒙古不是中国的一部分。

蒙古有他们自己的语言,总理,国会和总统。

与俄罗斯和蒙古国接壤的“内蒙古”是隶属于中华人民共和国的一个自治区。

蒙古国于1911年宣布独立,然而中华民国对该区域另有打算。中国军队占领了蒙古国一部分,直到1920年俄国入侵。俄国决定支持蒙古建立一个独立的共产主义政权。在苏联的帮助下,蒙古在首次试图独立的十年后于1921年7月11日再次宣布独立。

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- Only in 2002 did Chinastop considering Mongoliaas part of their 'mainland area' and removed it from maps of their territory.

Despite the struggle for independence andworld recognition, Mongoliastill somehow maintains good international relations today with the U.S., Russia,China, Japan, and India -- countries that often haveconflicting interests.

Today, Russian is still the most widelyspoken foreign language in Mongolia,but English is spreading widely.

中国直到2002年才停止认为蒙古是他们“大陆地区”的一部分,并在地图上将蒙古从他们的领土中移除。除却争取独立和国际仍可这方面,蒙古如今依然以某种方式与美国,俄罗斯,中国,日本,印度这些常常发生利益冲突的国家保持着良好的国际关系。

现在,俄语仍然是蒙古国使用最广泛的语言,但是英语也很普遍。

(1) I'm mongolian says:

Mongolia, as a part of the Great Mongol Empire, had never been part of China. From theday Genghis khan founded the Great Mongol Empire in 1206 to the death of thelast Grand Khan of the Mongols, Ligdan Khan in 1634, the Mongol nation had beenan independent state for more than 400 years. Inner mongolia was never part of China. Mongolia was never part of China and, in fact, China never fairly treated theInner Mongolians as a part of their own people.

蒙古国,作为大蒙古帝国的一部分,从来不属于中国。从1206年成吉思汗建立大蒙古帝国到1634年蒙古最后一个大汗林丹汗驾崩,蒙古国作为一个独立的国家已经有400年历史。内蒙古也从来都不是中国的一部分。蒙古并不属于中国,实际上中国从来都不像对待它自己国民一样公平的对待内蒙古人。

(2) qahartatar says:

mongolia isn’t a part of china, but a part of a much greater empire, whichincludes mongolia, chinaproper, tibet, east Turkestan

and manchu. outermonglia can’t represent mongolia, especially the orthodoxyof lelegitimacy of the whole monglia. innermongolia is the inheritor ofmongolia culture, we can write with traditional type, we own the capital ofgreat yuan, we live with our brother —Turehot, Heshuote,we have so huge a country that

.do you really think that government of peoples’ republic china has donenothing to us ? monglians and many other people have been protecting monglianculture for a long time. manchu respect us ,tibetan like making friends withus,and chinese who are called han ,also regard monglia as a great nation. thevarious cultures in modern china, has already made us live in another greatyuan empire. as a mongolian, one must has the ambition to rebuild great mongolempire, and modern china is the first step to help achieve this dream.

蒙古国不属于中国,但是属于一个更大的,包括了蒙古、中国本土、XZ、东突厥斯坦和满洲的帝国的一部分。蒙古国并不能代表蒙古,尤其是整个蒙古人的合法性和正统性方面。内蒙古才是蒙古文化的继承人,我们用传统的方式书写,我们拥有元大都,我们和我们的兄弟土尔扈特部,和硕特部生活中一起,我们有一个庞大的国家。你真的认为中华人民共和国什么都没有为我们做吗?蒙古族和其他人长期致力于保护蒙古文化,满族人尊重我们,藏族人喜欢和我们交朋友,汉族人也认为蒙古是一个伟大的民族。如今的中国文化多元,我们已然生活在另一个伟大的元朝。作为一个蒙古人,我们必须要有重建伟大的蒙古帝国的雄心壮志。而现代的中国正是帮助我们实现梦想的第一步。

(3) Sherry says:

Since you have better knowledge andinsight, gahartatar, can you give your opinion on how Mongolia has received independence that is stilldenied to Tibet?Seems from reading this quickly that the situations are not that dissimilar. Soglad you both posted.

楼上,既然你这么有学识和洞察力,那请告诉我,蒙古已经获得独立,为什么XZ不行?我简单的浏览了一些,感觉两者情况并无二至。希望你两个都回复。

(4) qahartatar says:

In fact, highly developed level of steppestates and the influnence exerted by foreign countries are the decisive reasonsthat mongoliatends to be independence. The concept of nations brought into East by Europeanwould be a belivable evidence. but not the whole thing.

The states, such as Liao,Jin,Mongolia,orYuan,and Qing,had alread owned their own National Consciousness. But this kindof conception didn’t exist in tibetand xinjiang.The geographical obstacles prevented Tibet from developing into a stableand powerful Empire.

the only connection between tibet and west was culture, but its political andother aspects of cultures are much closer with east—china proper, mongoliaand manchu or other countries. And what we usually see is that tibet wasalways devided into many little kindoms by themselves. Tibet’s realglory just lasted for about 200 years. Compared to Mongolia,orother steppe states and Chinaempire,Tibetwas much weaker than all of them in most time.It must seek a protector. Becauseof the Himalaya and the conflicts inside, tibet couldn’t find a suitableprotector from its west. So,when any of us talk about the history of tibet, we focus most on the relationship betweentibet and the east,ratherthan india.And,in most time,tibetand the east all maintained a peaceful era.

On the contrast,monglia,and itspredecessors, Liao,Jin,they didn’t need to find a real alliance all the time. Theywere much more open to other place, and owned a strong power to dominateothers. And after the collapse of Tang dynasty, Song couldn’t reach theachievement like tang. And Khitan,Jurchen and mongolia developed the consciouseof their nations in the huge conflicts between them and song, or the others. Collisionand conflic are helpful of shapping a nation. we can just find peace in tibetand the east.

实际上,高度发达的草原文明和外部势力的影响是蒙古国走向独立的决定性因素。欧洲人带到东方的国家观念有一定的正确性,但不是全部。

一些国家,如辽,金,蒙古或元,以及清都拥有他们自己的国家观念。但是这种概念并不存在于XZ和新疆。地理上的障碍阻碍了XZ发展成为一个稳定的强权帝国。

XZ和西方的联系仅限于文化方面。而在政治等其他方面更靠近东方——中国本土,蒙古,满洲及其他国家。此外XZ还常常被他们自己分为许多小王国。XZ真正的荣耀只持续了200年,和蒙古等草原国家及中华帝国相比,XZ大部分时间都非常弱小以至于需要找一个保护者。由于喜马拉雅山的阻隔以及内部的矛盾冲突,XZ无法在它西面找到稳定的保护着,因此当我们讨论XZ的历史时会意识到,大部分是关于XZ和东方的关系而不是和印度。大部分时期,XZ和东方能够保持和平。

相反,蒙古和其前身,辽,金等并不需要总是找一个同盟。他们对其他地区更加开放并且有强大的实力去支配其他地区。唐朝灭亡之后,宋朝没法达到唐朝的成就,因此契丹,女真和蒙古在不断战争中建立了自己的国家。战争和冲突有助于一个国家的形成。但XZ和东方之间一直是和平的。

(5) china is bullying mongolia says;

yeah, thank you so much.many people things mongoliais part of china

非常感谢你。很多人都认为蒙古是中国的一部分。)


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26楼xyr921


美网民激烈讨论:蒙古是中国的一部分吗?

左上的就是正宗蒙文,在外蒙已失传,因此内蒙才是蒙古族正统,外蒙那些漂离中华民族大家庭的孤魂野鬼,只能做走狗苟延……

顺便驳一下最后那两段公然造谣的回帖,蒙文都上了货币,美元上有印第元素吗?!谁更尊敬自己的少数民族族群?




俺们有必要发起讨论加利福尼亚是美国的吗?俄亥俄州是美国的吗?纽约,洛杉矶是美国的吗?美国本土属于美国吗?看看老美说什么

尼玛,我姥就是蒙古人,而且还是烈士遗孀。她老人家从小到大都力挺毛主席,哪来的狗屁美分开始盘算内蒙古的事了。这种畜生按照铁木真的传统,就应该满门抄斩。


说句老实话少数民族比汉族受优惠

中国人是世界上最善良的民族

142楼zhimin07

外蒙古就剩200来w人口,给美国人当狗也是炮灰的份。给俄罗斯当牛羊烧纸钱给成吉思汗他都收不着

回归祖国多好,高考有加分,就业有照顾,养群牛羊转个场国家还警车开道,专门让出高速道,全球直播,盖个房子生个娃国家还有政策。我问你们全世界哪个少数民族有这种待遇。麻辣隔壁,要说种族歧视,汉族才是屁毛都没有,卧槽~


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