[原创]歼20第二架曝光,美国军事论坛网民表示不屑

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嗯,它看起来像我们网站昨天展示的歼-20隐形战机。上面显示了一个新的序列号2002,因此推测是第二架J-20飞机。第一架在2010年底亮相,上面的编号是2001。我们不知道中国人设计这些飞机要干嘛,不过从它们的尺寸看,要么是用来高空高速拦截,比如米格-25,要么是用来远距离快速打击,比如F-111。


这是第一架

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这是第二架(都是国内网站的图,美国军事论坛有专门的华人小编,负责收集中国网络情报)

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以下是网友comment:


1What would be really funny is if there actually are 2000 other J-20's! So we're just looking at the 2001st and 2002nd copies

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哈哈,可能有2000架歼20,然后我们才看到2001号和2002号飞机(这是个军盲)


2 I see they moved the probe from off center, to center of the nose cone. Anyone else able to tell a differance between the jets?

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我看到空速管移到了中间,有木有人可以告诉我有什么差别(绝对是专业级军迷)


3They plan to produce 1000 Fifth generation fighter plane.

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中国人打算生产1000架五代机(绝对是五毛党潜入美国,后边的按钮类似于顶一下是-1)


4At the risk of sounding ignorant, the Chinese do not use characters to depict numbers?

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5Chinese trying to compete with the lockheed martin''s F-35 !!!

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中国人试图与洛克希德马丁公司的F-35竞争。


6http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/awst/2012/03/19/AW_03_19_2012_p61-431709.xml&headline=Chinese%20Air%20Force%20Modernizes%20On%20Dual%2

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是个网站,不知干什么的,有兴趣的朋友可以看


7Anyone else see the anime watermark on the first picture?

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有没有人发现第一张图上的水印(够仔细,老子都没发现)


8I don't care about Chinese, they're not that smart too win over us!

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我不关心中国人,他们不够聪明不可能超过我们


9Maybe if they build enough, we can cancel the F-35 and just buy the J-20 in bulk at Walmart.

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如果他们造足够的歼-20,我们就不用买F-35了,直接到在沃尔玛超市买歼-20(一种调侃,美国的沃尔玛超市基本全是Made in China)


10Actually a lot of recent analysis comparing the J-20 to other aircraft on the flight line of known dimensions pegs it's length at roughly 20.5 meters or about two meters shorter than an F-111, a little on the small side for a long range strike plane. (see here for details: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11768.480.html). On the same note the big draggy all moving canards and tails along with the ventral fins aren't the type of thing you'd need for a point and shoot high speed interceptor like the Mig-25 (nor are the transonically optimized AL-31s powering it).


If I had to guess at the design philosophy of the J-20 I'd say the Chinese knew they'd be constrained by the engine technology from the outset, and so focused on replicating the kinematic performance of their best 4th gen dogfighter (almost assuredly the J-11/Su-27) in a stealthy platform with the best avionics available to them. In other words the J-20's closest analogue may be the F-35.

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不太会翻译,貌似是说:歼-20的用途不是用来像米格-25高速截击的,他的长度接近F-111,很可能是歼击轰炸机。而且中国人的发动机技术不怎么样,因此他们在飞机的气动外形设计上很下工夫(美国人对那个视频很感兴趣)并且把这几年通过改进苏-27得到的先进航电技术尽可能用到歼-20身上,因此,我觉得歼-20的性能与F-35差不多。


11Like with any test program two to three planes are needed for analysis of the designs performance. Overall by the length of the airframe to its BIG bomb bays it looks like its a interdiction plane like the F-15E is to our forces and NOT a fighter.. Overall I joke this be a better solution to the problem pledged F-35, buy J-20s instead

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试飞没个两到三架飞机是不行的。从歼-20巨大的弹仓看,他的用途更可能是像我们的F-15E。我觉得我们别买F-35了,买歼-20吧(开玩笑)


12I read that they took our specs to make their plane.

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我觉得中国人是按照我们的标准设计飞机的(可能是说外形像西方的战斗机,不像苏联的)


13Regardless of what they have.. they are inferior to US technology, they got this thing built probably from spies coming into our beloved country and had them taking photos of our planes for a period of time.. but as i said no matter what they have, they can never come close to our technology.. its all about who has the biggest Missile and who can shoot the fastest and further. LOL.. chinese technology is comparable to the TVs and electronic equipment they manufacture over there.. is essance it stinks and the planes will never take on our stealthy Birds.. NEVER !!!!

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不管他们有什么…他们的技术都是剽窃我们的,而且他们的间谍已经得到我们的设计图纸,但他们不可能超过我们。他们引以为傲的导弹也没有我们的先进,中国人只会生产电视…他们永远不可能超过我们,永远!!!(这个是美国愤青,有点脑残)


14After seeing these two, I thought they looked familiar! I swear, they look like the old Northrop YF-23 prototypes! I mean look at them and then look at the picture of the YF-23! I think one of them is still over at Hawthorne as a tourist/base guardian-whatever! I also understand, anyone can walk right up to it and take pictures, whatever! HMMMM!

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在我看了这两架飞机之后,我觉得有点眼熟,后来,我想起来了,他们挺像诺斯罗普的YF-23!那架飞机自从落选后,就一直停在公园供人参观,中国人一定是拍到照片,然后回去模仿!!!


15why the Chinese needs to stick to western doctrine of defining their 4th or 5th gen fighters? why can't they have their own system describing their own aircrafts and let others interpret their standard? so don't get too upset/paranoid about which generation the plane belongs to.... it's only a numbers game and not until the planes meet each other in the sky we won't know what real capability each plane possesses. same as any car until you put'em on drag strip and run 1/4 mile and whatever numbers they quoted before only mean absolutely zero

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为什么中国人非要按照西方或俄罗斯的标准来划分飞机是几代,就没有自己的标准,因此不要在意它是几代机,一架飞机到底先不先进要到他们上天打了之后才知道。


16Or they just changed the number on the original?? Id like to see a photo of them both side by side.

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或许中国人只是把号码改了一下,迷惑我们,我想看这两架飞机并排放着的照片(又一个脑残)


17IF THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO THEY HAVE TO GET HERE AND I DO NOT THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN. WE AND JAPAN WILL SEE THEM COMING WE KNOW WE CAN FIGHT ANY TIME ANT WERE. USMC AND USAF THE NAVY ARE OUT THERE AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A SNOW BALL CHANCE IN HE---

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不管他们有一架或两架都到不了美国,美国海军,空军还有日本都可以发现他们,并把他们击落。


18to the ignorant people upstairs: in 20th century there were only 2 wars that america did not win, and both wars had china behind our enemies. knowing that do you still look down upon china war capability?

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楼上的人真无知,我们20世纪只有两场战争没有胜利,全都跟中国有关(抗美援朝和抗美援越)这两次战争敌人的装备都落后我们,你能忽视中国人的战争能力吗?


这是链接,英语好的朋友帮忙纠正一下。

http://defensetech.org/2012/04/03/china-has-a-second-j-20-stealth-fighter/


那位版主或小编路过的时候,看在我辛苦半天的份上给我几个工分吧


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