越网民热议“越南军演” 称解放军是大猩猩

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1.HOK GAN wrote:


try to solve the matter on the table, restrain from usage of hawkish provocation, before any disgrace


试着在谈判桌上解决这事儿吧,应该避免鹰派的刺激,以免造成任何丢脸的事。


Sammy Leung replied:


China


doesn't need the resource as much as Vietnam, China is treating it the same as the other disputed territories. China is simply saying no body touch it until the dispute is over.

中国并不像越南那样需要这些资源,在对待南海的问题的上,中国的态度和对待其他争议领土是一样的。中国只是说在争议还没完之前,大家都别碰这些地区。




2. Viet Ong wrote


From strategic view, Vietnam's action is understandable. China


want to test Vietnam's response, so Vietnam will response like this.

The reporter of WSJ is not based in Vietnam so he does not know that there are thousands of people protesting in Hochiminh City on Jun 5, 2011. Vietnam people across the country is very angry about China.

从战略角度看,越南的行动是可以理解的。中国想测试越南的反应,所以越南才会这样回应。


华尔街日报的记者并不在越南,所以他并不知道2011年6月5日,胡志明市有成千上万的人抗议,所有越南人都火了。


Fred Higgenbottom replied:


Why should anyone in America care? Let these two communist nations battle it out to solve their own rivalries! But Vietnam


should be wary with false bravado and sabre rattling. China has more census takers than Vietnam has people!

美国人干嘛要关心这事儿呢?就让这两个共产主义国家自己开片去吧。但是越南得小心点,不要太逞能。中国的人口普查人员都比越南人口多。




3. Nguyen Vinh dan wrote


The Chinese shall never underestimate the nationalistic sentiments of the Vietnamese. Eventhough, the Vietnam is much weaker than China


in terms of army, the Vietnamese have never given up or cowed down to the chinese.

中国人可不能低估越南的民族主义情绪。虽然从军事上讲越南比中国弱很多,但越南从没有向中国屈服过。


WarrenDar USA replied


This could get interesting...Looks like we are heading for a "Communists Summer" in SE Asia to compete with the "Arabs Spring". Fine with the US & Russia


as it is all done without the US & Russia sending in its troops firing a shot (but glad to act as a proxy by providing weapons & "advisors" when asked).

Finally, I think VN should starts a "peaceful" nuclear program as a supplement to energy program (i.e. Syria, North Korea, and Iran


) and as a poor-man deterrent against China. And the USA & Russia would conveniently ignore (or even assist) with that aspiration as a blind spot in the UN Security Council for a pay back to China's behaviors in the past.

真是越来越有意思了。看来在“阿拉伯之春”之后我们又要迎来“共产主义夏天”了。美国和俄罗斯可没意见,又不需要美国,俄罗斯派军队去,当然如果受到邀请派点顾问或者提供点武器还是很乐意的。


Dan Nguyen replied


Agree with you about Vietnam starting a nuclear program...


我同意,越南也该开始核计划了。


Greg Arnot replied (译者:这货八成是越南人,而且是比较2B的那种,后面其发言尽显无遗)


China


invaded Vietnam in 1979.

Over 50,000 Chinese soliders were killed in about 2 weeks. It was a bloodbath.

Vietnam's victory over China motivated China to reform and modernize their military.

Yet, even today, I do not think China can defeat Vietnam. China's missiles are deployed against Taiwan so a war would mean China is likely to repeat its mistakes of 1979.

中国在1979年侵略了越南。在两周内中国就死了5万多士兵,真是血浴一般。


越南的胜利促使中国对军队进行改革和现代化。


就算今天,我也不认为,中国能击败越南。中国的导弹是针对台湾部署的。所以现在要再打的话,中国还是会犯1979年同样的错误。


Falcon Huang replied:


So Greg, why didn't you finish up that story about your mother and some Japanese men that got you admitted into a mental hospital.


那么Greg,你干嘛不以你妈和一群日本人把你送进精神病院来结束你的故事呢.




4 Terry Kimble wrote


The Big Deal with China will be because of China


's limited resources. Between bribing their way into Africa and just taking from their neighbors, China is on a natural resource trajectory that does not support their mercantilism economy. As that fact comes more into focus the world will get a closer look at the decision process of the Chicoms. The danger is that so many countries have let China get away with making up their own rules that China will not be used to anyone saying no to them.

中国的关键问题是由于其有限的资源,无法满足其经济,他的选择只有砸钱进入非洲,或者就到周边国家去拿呗。这个事实被世界关注的时候,大家就能更看清中国的决策过程。危险的是这么多国家都让中国习惯起没人敢对他说不了。




5Jun Jing wrote:


Is Vietnam


trying to start a war? Unwise.

越南人要开片?不太明智。


Greg Arnot replied


In 1979, Vietnam killed over 50,000 Chinese soldiers in less than two weeks. It was a slaughter.



Vietnamese wisdom...

1979年,越南人两周不到就干掉了5万多中国战士,就是屠杀。这就是越南人的智慧。




6 Charles Chuck wrote


Vietnam


is backed by Russia and Phillipines is backed by USA. Who backs China? Without backing of a major power, China has no assurance to win a war with even the minor neighbor. This is no fault of Deng and the present leaders in China, as it is a legacy of Mao, who backed Vietcom to fight for unification, while sending all of their ingenious scientists to hard labor instead of developing high-end navy/air techs, wasting half a century precious window period of peace for catching up. However, as a peace-loving person, I'd like to advice Vietnam leaders not to bully China too much. Give them some face, that's good for everybody.

越南背后有毛子,菲律宾人背后有美帝,中国背后有谁?没有大国的支持,中国可没有保证能赢一场战争即使是对弱小的邻邦。这不是邓和现在中国领导人的错,真是毛的事儿,他支持越南统一,还把国内的科学家都赶去干苦力活儿而不是发展高端科技,浪费了半个世纪的宝贵的和平窗口期来追赶。当然,作为和平主义者,我想建议越南领导们,别把中国逼急了,给他们点面子,对大家都好。


Falcon Huang replied:


I think you were joking. US would not want to risk war with China over Vietnam


. Time have changed when China has shown the capability to have their submarines carrying nuclear missiles surfacing a stone throw from US coast without early detection. Another milestone was when China has achieved the ability to shoot down satellites that could make US missiles and her aerial / maritime operations semi blind.

Russia has a close relationship with China and the two have settled their border dispute. They are major trading partners to each other. Why would the Russian thinks like a naive American hillbilly you seems to be.

我看您老开玩笑吧。美帝才不愿意为了越南和中国干仗。时代不同啦,中国的核潜艇已经展示过能力,在离美帝岸边一射之地上浮而没被提前发现。另外一个里程碑是,中国已有能力干下卫星,可以使美帝的导弹并使其空军和海军成为半个瞎子。


Charles Chuck replied


Yes, you are right that Russia and China have settled their border dispute as China


formally admits severance of the vast FarEast region (North Manchuria) with abundant oil/wood/fresh water resources to Russia, something the past Chinese rulers dared not to sign, because they know they cannot win a major war with Russia. Now, similar to Northern Manchuria, South China Sea will be taken by any regional country including China and Vietnam who dare to fight and can win a war. The question is, is China ready to interrupt its chance of development to fight a major war with Vietnam? My answer is NO.

是,你说得对,毛子和中国是已经解决了边境问题,那是因为中国舍弃了大片的远东地区包括其上丰富的石油/木材/淡水资源,这可是过去的中国领导人不敢签的,因为他们知道他们和毛子干仗可赢不了。现在,与此类似,南中国海属于该地区任何敢于干仗并能打赢的国家。问题是,中国是不是愿意中断其发展来和越南打场大仗?我觉得不会。


Greg Arnot replied


China


invaded Vietnam in 1979 and over 50,000 Chinese soldiers were killed in less than two weeks.

The Vietnamese army made the PLA look like poorly trained chimps.

Kenny Zhu...you are a malicious fool. Without the US military, your mother would have spent her life dating the Japanese Army.

You shame all of China.

>>when China has shown the capability to have their submarines carrying nuclear missiles surfacing a stone throw from US coast without early detection<<

Not true Kenny Zhu. China only has diesel powered submarines...they can not cross the Pacific without surfacing. China


does not have missile attack subs, no Polaris or Poseidon counterparts.

All China has is a loudmouth like you, a shame to your own mother and a shame to all of China.

1979年中国入侵越南的时候,越南两周内就干了5万多中国士兵。(第三次了,这2货就会复制黏贴)


在越南军队面前,解放军就像没训练过的大猩猩。


Kenny Zhu,你真是个笨蛋。要不是美帝王师,你老妈下半辈子就呆在日本军队里吧(当然这句大家可以看看原文)


“中国的核潜艇已经展示过能力,在离美帝岸边一射之地上浮而没被提前发现”


Kenny Zhu,这不是真的,中国只有柴电潜艇(这2货开始露陷了吧,093,094擦汗前来围观),他们不可能中途不上浮得穿越太平洋。中国没有弹道导弹核潜艇(又2了吧,JL1,094组团前来围观,JL2,096提前围观),不是北极星和海神式导弹的对手。


中国只有你这样的大嘴,真是你妈和全中国的羞耻。


Stephen Morris replied


"Who backs China?" China




is a major power in its' own right! I am not quite sure if they and others have figured that out yet.



谁支持中国? 中国自己现在就是大国。我不知道他们和其他人是不是搞清楚这一点了。


Charles Chuck replied


Of course China is a major power. As a matter of fact, without China


's help, Vietcong has little chance to defeat France and USA to unify and now even to bully China. I believe this strange phenomenon may be due to the Sino-Russia treaty signed 10 years ago to concede such a huge piece of territory with abundant oil/gas to Russia encourages all of the local countries to look down China, or due to the concession given by China to admit in-factor occupation by Japan of Senkaku Island (Diaoyu Island), or due to abandoning of the southern Tibet territory to India after winning the 1962 Sino-India war, or due to giving half of Mt. Everest as gifts to Neple and half of Mt. Baitou as gifts to North Korea? Did Chinese leaders intentionlly show the weakness, or they really don't care cutting off pieces of terretory to other countries? Can you imagine Japan to make live-fire drill near its "Northen 4 islands" now occupied by Russia? Can you imagine Cuba to make live-fire drill near US oil field in Mexico Bay? Can you imagine Argentina to make live-fire drill near Forkland Island?

当然中国是个大国。事实上,没中国的帮助,越共根本没机会打败法国和美国实现统一,而现在却要去惹中国。我相信这奇怪的现象可能是由于中俄10年前签了那个把蕴藏巨大资源的土地让给俄国的条约,使该地区其他国家都看扁中国了。或者是中国承认日本对钓鱼岛事实上的占领。或者1962年在打赢了印度之后放弃藏南。又或者把半个珠穆朗玛峰和半个长白山当礼物给了尼泊尔和朝鲜?是中国领导人故意示弱,还是他们真不介意把国土割给别国?你能想象日本在毛子占的北方四岛举行实弹演习?你能想象古巴在墨西哥湾的美国油井附近实弹演习?你能想象阿根廷在马岛附近实弹演习?


(这么熟?这货不是中国通,就是香蕉人,或者别的啥的?)


Falcon Huang replied


A settlement is worth the settlement if the counter party is one that does not flip flop. Russia, despite her aggressive disposition will find that peace with China


is mutually beneficial. And as to Vietnam, there is just a possibility that China may back down AT THE MOMENT. I hope Vietnam will realize that China will settle the case plus interest when the time is appropriate.

Greg old fool

So the big mouth who claimed to be at Tiananmen and watched tens of thousands of Chinese students crushed by tanks and is now here to claim his prize as a dirty cheap liar. You have a loose mouth and you have some mental illness because of something between your mother and some Japanese men.


只要对方不是那种翻脸比翻书快的人(擦汗,貌似毛子翻脸确实相当快),这协议就值得签。毛子虽然态度强硬,它也觉得和中国保持和平对双方都有好处。对越南也是一样,中国还是有可能一时忍忍的。我希望越南能意识到中国会在适当的时候解决这个问题的。 现在又来撒什么谎。你妈和日本人乱搞让你精神有问题了吧。



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中国军队必败,中国军队必败,不敢打,不敢说,不敢动,花架子,少爷兵,饭桶,实际战斗力严重不如城管,

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可怜我们中国的朴实百姓了``打不打不是我们这些人能决定的``白有一腔报国热血``软弱的政府``悲哀啊``在加上这些狗一样的军事智囊家``我曾N次要崩溃了``想的太多了```想象力也太丰富了``没点实际的``越南``那么小的国家``我现在没觉得他们可恨``反而有点佩服他们``最起码有那种敢决斗的精神``真正的在强大``做事多考虑``那是必然的``但别想的太多了``等人家经济实力也真发展上来了``你在去对抗``呵呵``想都别想``而事实是中国是全球第一猪大哥``对外方针只有``抗议``抗议``在抗议``毛用``我觉得观念差别太大``我也不懂军事``但我知道人活着要有尊严``不欺负小的``更不怕大的``真诚是朋友``可以一心相代``欺负我们的``一次就要操翻``爱咋咋地``好怎么都好``一起发展 ``不好都别好``我们的祖先500年前那样的环境都能生活下来``我们这一带也能``甚至活的更好``别老怕这怕那的``大不了一起都退后几百年``只要你愿意``我也能接受``有喊打的``有支持不打的``都有原因``思想观念不一样``发展``继续发展``贪得无厌``跟人的欲望一样``没个尽头``拥有的越多``越怕时期``越怕死``嘴角上的强大``其实那是浮肿``要不就是的癌症了``那叫肿瘤``只有在实战中``通过不断的磨练``才能真正的强大``像现在的智囊们``充其量也只是个狗腿子``墙头草``1个小国``敢叫号``不敢打``等你真正发展到你要求的地步``那时候别人``别人难道就比你笨``不发展了``你强了``一个干不过你``我可以拉10个干你``你以为你还真的西部牛仔``必须要有威慑``不是武器上的``武器没有可以造``拥有只是迟早的问题``精神尊严```你在发达``也只是富裕的傻大个```别想着什么都留给下一代``这一代的这一代解决``明天会怎样``还很难说``为了我们的后代``我们不能在由个别人就能代表我们的一切``这样下去```我们的后代```不敢想``

我问了我认识的所谓有文化的朋友```开战了会怎么办``呵呵``10个人8个人笑话我``关咱什么事```看你日子怎么过``管那些``尴尬啊``谁叫我只是个小百姓呢``呵呵``现在是这样的回答``当真面对大的国难的时候```真到那时候该怎么办```当没那能力的时候``咱没办法``当具备那能力的时候``不做点啥```人就没办法理解了``不管国家对咱小百姓怎么样``但我觉得当一个国家```面对挑战的时候``我在不爱国``我也会拿起武器``去保卫我们应该有的尊严``因为维护自己祖国的尊严``做为生在这个国家的一个人民``那是我义不容辞的选择``不该有逃避的的想法``更不能有这意念``

听说我们祖国的民间黑客反击了越南的黑客``我兴奋啊```激动啊``我更欣慰```我在这给你们我最真诚的敬意``好样的``但对于肥头猪耳的某些人``我```没话说```只能默默的祈祷``哪天快点让他们倒台```我宁愿活在500年前的艰苦生活中``我也不想活在这可悲的年代``因为人的本质都变了``没有信任``没有友谊```只有利益```算计```吃的好住的好有毛用````一点不开心``

越南好象都游行了```中国为什么没有呢```我就想不明白``高人指点下``

我2011年最大的理想```就是赶快到换界的日子``我宁愿少活这几年```也希望他快点到来```无能的人没资格带领这么一个庞大的群体``快点下台吧```但愿能有个有头脑有魄力的人来领导我们```以前有一个毛泽东```一个邓小平``我想将来还会在有那样的人物的``

就算没有``在来个朱溶基这样的也可以``最起码在人民心中``在以后的历史``他都是个受人尊敬的人物``

回去修猪圈去了``不聊了``俺只是个有小学3年纪水平的农民``字都打不好``也不知道说明白没说明白我的意思``别怪我``呵呵

 以下是引用5358955 在第13楼的发言:
1979年的时候,中国真的两周内牺牲了5万军人么?这么惨啊?晕哦,怪不得要撤军,我一直还以为我们是打赢了,主动撤军的呢

要真是5万的话,那么3个师就完蛋了,邓公不把杨得志给撤了才怪。越南人自欺欺人你也信。。。。。。2周我们灭了他们5万还差不多。

中国放个屁,就把越南吹倒了!中国人平时喜欢示弱(绝对的缺点!特别是对有妄想症的猴儿),呵呵,发起火来可别说没人性!清炖猴脑前,先玩耍一下而已。老米当年为什么败,实际败给中苏而已,小猴子不懂事,鼓吹自己是世界军事强国,简直痴人说梦。什么时候中国招临工,老老实实地跟中国混,打好看门猴这份工才有生机(本来是狗儿做的,狗儿升队长了)。中国也不要派地面部队了,直接导弹炮战招呼,连飞机也不用飞,一小时内将猴子赶回大山沟。猴子穿人服,学人语,就是不会办人事,想想猴儿要进化成人,少说还差几百万年吧。严重同意的朋友请点击右下角“顶”!

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