美称稍安勿躁 中国第一艘航母就是块废柴

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导读:Her new guns are installed. Her light-gray paint job has dried. Her airplanes are flying and her engines are turning. Thirteen years after she was purchased from Ukraine half-complete and lacking engines, the Chinese navy’s very first aircraft carrier is r

Her new guns are installed. Her light-gray paint job has dried. Her airplanes are flying and her engines are turning. Thirteen years after she was purchased from Ukraine half-complete and lacking engines, the Chinese navy’s very first aircraft carrier is ready to set sail from Dalian shipyard in northeast China. The former Soviet carrier Varyag, renamed Shi Lang in Chinese service, could begin sea trials this summer.


航母安装了新的武器,灰白涂装已经完成。舰载机已经试飞,引擎已经发动。瓦良格买回来13年后,中国海军真正意义上的第一艘航母正准备从大连扬帆出海。航母被命名为“施琅号”。


Just how worried should the world be?


这会导致怎么样的焦虑?


The answer depends on who you ask. To China’s closest neighbors, the prospect of a carrier speeding heavily-armed Chinese jet fighters across the world’s oceans is an alarming one. But the U.S. Navy, the world’s leading carrier power and arguably the Chinese navy’s biggest rival, seems oddly unaffected.


答案取决于对谁来说。中国的近邻,航母重装配置的舰载机对沿岸国家是一大威胁。但是对俺们最牛笔的美帝海军来说表示鸭梨不大。


There are good reasons for the Pentagon’s calm. For starters, Shi Lang, pictured above, could be strictly a training carrier, meant to pave the way for bigger, more capable carriers years or decades in the future.


六角大楼如此说还真有点道理,瓦良格号只是中国全力发展海军的一个前奏,未来的日子他们会全力以赴发展更大更强的航母。


评论翻译 Wired: Relax: China’s First Aircraft Carrier is a Piece of Junk

有线报道:放心吧,中国第一艘航母就是一块废柴http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?199085-Wired-Relax-China -First-Aircraft-Carrier-is-a-Piece-of-Junk


BloodyTalon :

In light of the slew of reactionary "Beware of the Chinese menace and their new carrier and ballistic missiles!" threads that get posted here ad nauseum, here's a counterpoint from Wired:

鉴于回应“警惕土鳖的大杀器和航母以及反舰导弹”,这里有一篇主题观点是与之对抗的文章发表在下面这个网站地址上:


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-of-junk/all/1


Her new guns are installed. Her light-gray paint job has dried. Her airplanes are flying and her engines are turning. Thirteen years after she was purchased from Ukraine half-complete and lacking engines, the Chinese navy’s very first aircraft carrier is ready to set sail from Dalian shipyard in northeast China. The former Soviet carrier Varyag, renamed Shi Lang in Chinese service, could begin sea trials this summer.

航母安装了新的武器,灰白涂装已经完成。舰载机已经试飞,引擎已经发动。瓦良格买回来13年后,中国海军真正意义上的第一艘航母正准备从大连扬帆出海。航母被命名为“施琅号”。


Just how worried should the world be?

这会导致怎么样的焦虑?


The answer depends on who you ask. To China’s closest neighbors, the prospect of a carrier speeding heavily-armed Chinese jet fighters across the world’s oceans is an alarming one. But the U.S. Navy, the world’s leading carrier power and arguably the Chinese navy’s biggest rival, seems oddly unaffected.


答案取决于对谁来说。中国的近邻,航母重装配置的舰载机对沿岸国家是一大威胁。但是对俺们最牛笔的美帝海军来说表示鸭梨不大。



There are good reasons for the Pentagon’s calm. For starters, Shi Lang, pictured above, could be strictly a training carrier, meant to pave the way for bigger, more capable carriers years or decades in the future.


六角大楼如此说还真有点道理,瓦良格号只是中国全力发展海军的一个前奏,未来的日子他们会全力以赴发展更大更强的航母。


But even if she is meant for combat, there’s probably little reason to fear Shi Lang. A close study of the 990-foot-long vessel — plus the warships and airplanes she’ll sail with — reveals a modestly-sized carrier lacking many of the elements that make U.S. flattops so powerful.


Basic gist for anyone who doesn't wanna read through the article is that the Vargyag/Shi Lang is not going to be a major game changer for these reasons:


(以上不翻了,网站上到处都有)


1.Only one carrier.

只有一艘

2.Lacks the same capabilities of other carriers in terms of equipment and aircraft utilized

缺乏其他航母国家所具有的装备。

3.Lacks the same supporting vessels as the US and other countries

缺乏美帝等国家所具有的支持舰队。(意思可能是不成体系。)

4.It's foreign bought engines have a dubious reliability record, and the indigenous Chinese versions aren't any better.

从外国买的推进系统,性能值得怀疑。国产的不见得性能更好。


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Now I personally think the article is too dismissive of the carrier. The Vargyag/Shi Lang does show that the Chinese are experimenting with their doctrine and looking into how they are gonna expand their naval and strategic capabilities, but this specific carrier isn't a threat. If anything, its sad looking compared to other carriers in service.

我个人认为文章对中国的航母太藐视了。瓦良格号表明中国正在践行他们的信条和试验如何拓展他们的海军实力以及战略能力。但是这艘航母确实不具有威胁能力。如果有区别的话,就是它的外形和别的服役航母比起来太丑了。


Chulo


I think the article is looking at the short term force on force perspective, which no other country in the world can match (U.S's carrier fleet - in size, experience and capability). But 20 years from now, if could be a totally different picture

我认为这篇文章是从很窄的军事视角来看问题,现在确实是世界上没有别的国家能与美帝的航母编队的规模、经验、能力匹敌。但是20年以后就会有很大的不同。


Anthony91

A good article, but again like Chulo said, very short term. However, I wouldn't expect a PLAN on-par with the size or technology American, Japanese, or South Korean navies for quite a few decades.

好文章,正如楼上的哥们儿说的,文章只是从短期角度来看问题。但是,我不希望在建的PLA海军几十年后具有与美帝、倭寇、棒子同样的规模和技术。


Blaec


China’s J-15 naval fighter, pictured above, is a rough analogue of the F-18, but with a shorter range, less sophisticated sensors and fewer weapons options.


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Shorter range? A flanker variant having less range than a F-18? Am I missing something?

Also the article seems to miss the fact it will be a training carrier. Which seems very sensible.


更短的探测距离?侧卫改进型比F18探测距离更短?难道是我out了吗?或者这篇文章看起来不知道这艘航母只是训练舰?究竟我俩谁更靠谱?


Bro Jangles

USS Langley wasnt pretty either, but look were we ended up.

美帝军舰也不美妙,看起来我们去球了。


artjomh

Good article? Condescending bull****, more like it.

"Look at us, we have 90 years of experience of carrier operations and you are just starting to get into this business. Your carrier isn't yet commissioned and you don't have this, or this, or this. Or, you already have it? Well, then it must clearly be inferior to our stuff."

I always knew Danger Room were something of Western fanboys, but this is not a serious analysis.

Yes, I also agree that making a giant hoopla out of Shi Lang and having panic attacks just by mere virtue of China having a carrier is irrational and stupid. But dismissing it as inherently inferior to Western carriers (without any solid reasons) is condescending and mildly insulting.

好文章?妄自尊大的屁话而已。

“我们美帝具有90年的航母使用经验,你们才刚刚进入这个行当。你们的航母还木有服役,不具有这个、这个、以及那个那个…..所以你们一定比俺们美帝差劲。”

我知道一些西方星战迷的危险空间分析东东。但是这篇文章不严谨。

是的,瓦良格号引起了巨大的喧嚣,仅仅中国不理性和愚蠢的发展航母就引起了惊恐症发作。但是小瞧中国的航母也是妄自尊大和温和的傲慢。


KoTeMoRe

What if the Chinese wanted only our ...attention. Maybe there will not be any other carrier. Or the carriers would be symbolic. What if all this was just a giant tease to make us worry and...spend.

All they need is to make themselves a possible competitor. A credible one.

假如土鳖只是想吸引我们的注意力怎么办?也许他们木有另一艘航母,或者这些航母只具有象征意义。这些东东弄得我们如此紧张是否很搞笑?靠谱的看法是他们故弄玄虚的目的是让我们认为他们是有力的对手。


kalerab

What if the Chinese wanted only our ...attention. Maybe there will not be any other carrier. Or the carriers would be symbolic. What if all this was just a giant tease to make us worry and...spend.

All they need is to make themselves a possible competitor. A credible one.


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Strategypage.com already reported that one another carrier is under construction (codename "Carrier F") and frankly I don´t think that PLA gives a damn about some attention.

楼上的哥们儿,http://Strategypage.com已经报道了另一艘航母在建啊(研发代号,舰F),我认为PLA对外界的关注一点都不介意。


rgjbloke

A lot of people on this thread are much more knowledgable about carrier strategy than me but even I recognise that you have to walk before you can run. So, carrier wise, we won't have a great deal to fear from these events but China obviously isn't going to just stop here. It's been said here that others are in the pipline so, in ten or twenty years, it will be quite a different picture. When people talk about Chinese quality etc, it's a fact that the aircraft carriers currently under construction in Britain are being built using massive industrial crane's specially built and imported from..... "China".

楼上的都比我更懂航母战略,但是你们也不能满嘴跑火车啊。你们这些航母专家也不必对土鳖的航母如此恐惧,土鳖也不会在发展航母上就此罢手。他们言之凿凿的说了10-20年内还有几艘不同的航母的发展计划。那时候的人们会谈论中国(的航母数量等),事实上大英帝国的在建航母使用的吊车还是从土鳖那里买的呢。


wicked_hind

When people talk about Chinese quality etc, it's a fact that the aircraft carriers currently under construction in Britain are being built using massive industrial crane's specially built and imported from..... "China".


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Reminds me of the Made In China commercial broadcasted last year.

楼上的,提醒我记起来去年中国在各个传媒打的宣传广告了。


RoboSmith

Who will teach them how to operate a carrier battle group?


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That is the reason why they build thier first noobie casino in the first place, to train for a higher stakes. Then China indigenously copycated the Su-33 airplane, indeed there was a lot of hard work involved. The Ukraine not only provided the casino engines and aircraft prototype but helped to build the China's indigenous training casino ramp facility.

The Chinese are really hardworking folk and they learn fast. You have to be a genious to learn the art of technology extraction. Besides, spending piles of money bills on military is not exclusive to US, when you have mad money you tend to buy the image toys. Who cares about how much effective they are if they look mean. For example the airborne laser is only effective in vaporizing the billions, but the USAF have it because it is just hot and flashy. The CPC is paying much of attention to education for a new generation of intelligent and healthy citizens. There is a lot of hardness on the way to prosperity so i wish all the best to our promising neighbour.


谁帮他们训练操作航母啊?


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这就是中国这个新手要建瓦良格的原因(出于训练目的)。土鳖山寨了SUS33飞机和其他相关硬件设施。乌克兰提供了一个训练机会,他们建造了一个滑跃设施来训练。

中国人勤劳勇敢,学习能力超强超快。你得是一个天才才能学习这些技术。同时,往里面死命的砸钱来建造以往美帝独享的技术优势。穷人就只有买破烂玩具了。真想拥有,花钱何所惧?机载雷达费钱何其多,美帝还不是照样拥有他,只因为和玩意儿太牛叉太嗨。土鳖几十年如一日的下血本培养有钱有文化的四有公民。他们不成功不繁荣,老天都不答应。我希望我们最好得对我们的邻居许诺(提供保护?)


subotai

Its an interesting article but misses one big thing. Everybody is always planning to fight the last war. Carriers have been dominate in the last few conflicts and the US has a significant lead in their technology and operation. However, if it becomes a shooting war where they need to be used against China, China is also suspected to have a carrier kill vehicle (allbeit untested).

好精彩的文章,可惜漏掉了一个重点。每个人都想一想最近的几次冲突。最近的冲突中航母具有绝对优势,每次冲突都是俺们美帝获胜,在技术和使用上俺们美帝具有绝对的优势。但是若是爆发热战,用这些玩意儿来对付土鳖,土鳖可是有反舰导弹的哟。


Linedoggie


they said we and the russians would be the only ones on the moon also

they've slowly crept up on us


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How so, only the USA & Soviet Union have had Manned Moon Landings. Anyone can crash something into the moon, being able to get back is the trick

他们说只有我们和老毛子才能登月。他们想超越我们。

那又怎样,俺们俩家登月了。别人也能往月球上扔点东西,能不能回来才是牛 逼的。



Bro Jangles

How so, only the USA & Soviet Union have had Manned Moon Landings. Anyone can crash something into the moon, being able to get back is the trick


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when did the SU send a man to the moon?

傻×,苏联那时候登月了?



KoTeMoRe

2 Carriers in 15 years...with near zero experience? You win a war then you go to war. China is trying to wing it's war. Wich is on the economical turf. Not military.

15年发射2次啊,难道一次都木有成功?你赢得了战争又回到了战争。中国也跃跃欲试了。经济战谁赢了?


kalerab

2 Carriers in 15 years...with near zero experience? You win a war then you go to war. China is trying to wing it's war. Wich is on the economical turf. Not military.


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Well, they only finished Varyag and even that took them 9 years. Construction of brand new aircraft carrier will take them at least whole next decade. And economy is fine thing, but is questionable how much power does central comitee has over top military generals in PLA which probably prefer military solution to South China Sea and Taiwan before economical.

呃,他们仅仅返修瓦良格就花了9年。再建造一个新牌子的航母恐怕得至少花掉他们十年。经济牛 逼当然感觉良好,中 央政 治 局能花多大

投入来发展高端军事力量?何况他们的首要目标是解决南 海问题和台 湾问题。


KoTeMoRe

The PLA would prefer a solution in wich it wouldn't have to face the world's cop. The said cop would still be badass in 20 years. The issue is to cut his paycheck. Not go kinetic with him. So indeed the PLA would pretty much want to have time rehearsing their parade thing, instead of trying out their luck with a couple of CVN's. They make everyone worry about the future. People bite, spend, ruin themselves and when you last expect it, your bonds are worthless, your stock exchanges go all out. And the Chinese threaten you with WTO sanctions. Embrace the suck...

PLA宁愿找到不和俺们美帝对抗的办法(来发展海军)。俺们美帝20之内还是横行天下。问题是海军的预算正被削减,而不是增强。因此土鳖会很好的利用时间来排演阅兵,而不是来大力发展他们的几艘核动力航母。他们令每个人都为之担心。如果你们和土鳖飙上了,你可以咬他们,你的债券也不值钱了,你的股票也完蛋了。中国会用WTO条款来制裁你,还是老老实实的拥抱吸血鬼吧。


SlowMan

PLAN carriers are for internal "nationalism" propaganda and for bullying countries in South China Sea.

PLAN carriers are not meant for US Navy or JMSDF fleet.

PLA的海军航母只是为了内部的“民族主义”的宣传和欺凌在南中国海的弱小国家。

PLA的海军航母并不意味着对抗美帝海军和日本海上自卫队。



原文地址:http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=zh-CHS&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2Fdangerroom%2F2011%2F06%2Frelax-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-junk%2Fall%2F1

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