[–]boomer56 104 points 13 hours ago*
Also, an attack on Pakistan is an attack on China.
Edit: The more I think about this, the more incredible this policy change becomes...China guaranteeing Pakistani security? What is India thinking tonight?
Isentrope 18 points 9 hours ago
It's not really much of a policy change and India has known this for a long while. Pakistan and China have very strong relations with one another and China has openly sent material and weapons to Pakistan to aid in fighting India.
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[–]ashray 12 points 7 hours ago
Including Nukes. This was alleged for a long time but recently confirmed based on some de-classification. The Wikipedia article on it has this info:
[–]princeton_cuppa 4 points 3 hours ago
exactly, pak nukes = made in china pak exists because of hatred of india which china feeds since it hates India/US/Japan - practically anything which can potentially kicks China's butt.
Isentrope 1 point 19 seconds ago
China's hatred for India stems from when they had a hardline Prime Minister in the late '50s early '60s (Nehru I think? Not sure about that). Prior to this the two countries actually had extremely good relations, but the political shift occurred after Tibet was occupied by the PLA; prior to that, one of the intentions of having Tibet be independent in the first place was to act as a buffer between China and India the same way Nepal and Bhutan function.
Chinese hatred for Japan is pretty self explanatory, and Chinese hatred for the US has died down in recent years out of more of a desire to emulate the US' success.
petewilko 38 points 11 hours ago
Nothing new, India and China continue to have issues with each other. Anytime you hear of some military airplanes India acquires, usually you'll find its range is able of a round trip to Beijing.
[–]itcouldbe 34 points 10 hours ago
The PRC seems to have issues with all its neighbors.
[–]Tornado54 3 points 2 hours ago
Really? why would anyone have issues with India again?
[–]314R8 3 points 2 hours ago
and what about Taiwan, Japan, Korea, phillipines etc? How come China has issues with all of them? (I can see the historic issue with Japan, but what about the others?)
Maybe China does not like it's democratic neighbors? or the problem IS China
[–]314R8 1 point 20 minutes ago
Pakistan's only China border is via Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. But yes, China has good relations with one of its neighbors - Pakistan. Yippee
[–]Peanut_Sniper 4 points 5 hours ago
Reminder that China is an extremely oppressive dictatorship.
[–]timoleon 5 points 3 days ago
I'd be more concerned with the price Pakistan will have to pay for such diplomatic niceties. More territorial concessions perhaps?
[–]spoonybard326 19 points 3 days ago
I'm guessing the price they paid has something to do with pictures of helicopter wreckage.
[–]nibblerslitterbox 11 points 3 days ago
Pictures, pieces, whole parts. Bingo.
[–]ashesashes 3 points 3 days ago
I doubt they even got the avionics, from what I've read they spent more time destroying the helicopter than finding their target.
It took approximately 15 minutes to reach bin Laden, one official said. The next 23 or so were spent blowing up the broken chopper, after rounding up nine women and 18 children to get them out of range of the blast.
Some other quotes from the AP article:
The Black Hawks were specially engineered to muffle the tail rotor and engine sound, two officials said. The added weight of the stealth technology meant cargo was calculated to the ounce, with weather factored in. The night of the mission, it was hotter than expected.
The plan unraveled as the first helicopter tried to hover over the compound. The Black Hawk skittered around uncontrollably in the heat-thinned air, forcing the pilot to land. As he did, the tail and rotor got caught on one of the compound’s 12-foot walls. The pilot quickly buried the aircraft’s nose in the dirt to keep it from tipping over, and the SEALs clambered out into an outer courtyard.
[–]recycle_bin 1 point 3 days ago
The skin likely had the latest stealthy paint in the US arsenal since this was a very new and still classified helicopter. Paint chips are probably the most important piece of the helicopter to China since it could advance their stealth program and perhaps lead to developing countermeasures to detect US stealth planes. The stealthy shape of the helicopter could be recreated in house in little time, but the R&D behind the paint could bring their stealth forward a decade or more from where they are today.
[–]p3on 0 points 2 days ago
i can literally guarantee that the helicopters did not have stealth paint. they flew into pakistan literally under the radar. they were entirely undetectable by radar to begin with.permalinkparent
[–]p3on 0 points 2 days ago
radar literally does not detect anything below about 2-300 feet, even in flat terrain (which abottabad is not)
haphapablap 11 points 3 days ago
(China Gives Pakistan 50 Fighter Jets). What a dishonest title. From the article "China and Pakistan have jointly produced the JF-17 aircraft" JOINTLY PRODUCING is not one side GIVING something to another.
[–]Vnotforvendetta 5 points 3 days ago
it is when china is paying for/manufacturing these particular 50 fighters
[–]n99bJedi 13 points 3 days ago
Pakistan didn't paid for it, China paid for them. and they are under Pak control... so yes, that would conclude to the title "China gives Pak 50 Fighter Jets". China's technology is far superior than Pak (if that even exists on a global level).
This can be easily explained by this analogy -
Tom and Dick jointly made cookies. Tom bought the dough, the sugar, the syrup, the chips the bowls, template cutters etc. He then also brought his mommas secret recipe that is known to only his family, to his backyard. Only a few other people in this world can make those special cookies like his mothers favorite cookies. Dick on the other hand, came. Tom then went ahead and followed the recipe. Tom and Dick both 'made' cookies, and then Tom gave them to Dick to take them home.
[–]IbidtheWriter 10 points 3 days ago
Dick on the other hand, came.
Talk about current international relations or make easy penis jokes? I've made my decision.permalink parent
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[–]iconoclaus 4 points 3 days ago
They didn't jointly make jack. Try finding out how many of the test flights were conducted in Pakistan or which parts were designed by Pakistani engineers. Nada. The same as its missiles which all get inducted after an amazing single test flight.
'Jointly Produced' is just to give the Pak military some honor and dignity to show its citizens.
[–]agent0007 6 points 3 days ago
Can someone introduce Canada to China, we are spending 16-19 billion on ours.
[–]tinfoil_hat_troll 7 points 3 days ago
F-35s > JF-17 Thunder. Although receiving free jets never hurts...
[–]edenite 3 points 3 days ago
Doubt the price tag will be an issue, the F22 costs roughly 150 million each, with the USAF number about 381.
Sourcepermalinkparent[–]constantly_drunk 4 points 3 days ago
The cost isn't as much as the F22, true, but the maintenance is expected to be even higher, which is simply astounding. The pentagon's preliminary figures (without any fuckups like the F22 not being able to fly through the rain) estimate it to be $1 trillion over it's lifespan.
Which - coupled with the Navy thinking the F-35B will cost 30-40% more than the F18 - means it's just stupid expensive. Tack on the development cost onto that, and it balloons to crazy-ville levels.
But yeah - the F22 is pretty dumb for cost. Most of that is reskinning the plane everytime it flies through a patch of damp air. Brilliant piece of engineering, just holy-shit-balls expensive.Source 1Source 2permalinkparent
I still don't really understand why the US took the Pakistani side over India after the end of the Cold War.
[–]lisasgreat 1 point 3 days ago
"I still don't really understand why the US took the Pakistani side over India after the end of the Cold War."
Are you kidding? Supporting India will work against the USA in the long term. Why not keep two poor countries fighting and ensure your long term economic success?
[–]Kruse 7 points 3 days ago
A little "thank you" gift from the Chinese for letting them see the stealth helicopter wreckage before it's given back to the U.S.
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[–]Frankocean2 2 points 3 days ago
Well, it seems inevitable that a new cold war is going to start...anyone have a catchy name for it?.
[–]richmomz 2 points 3 days ago
CW2: The Search for More Oil
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[–]helicopetr 5 points 3 days ago
From the Wikipedia article on the JF-17:
The software written for the JF-17's avionics totals more than one million lines of instructions, incorporating the concept of open architecture. Rather than using the Ada programming language, which is optimised for military applications, the software is written using the popular civilian C++ programming language to better utilise the large number of civilian software programmers available.
Good luck with that.
[–]parley 2 points 3 days ago
Expect to see a lot of projects popping up on freelancer.com and rentacoder.permalink parent
[–]anonymous-coward 4 points 3 days ago
Fact: 90% of the JF-17 software is written in PHP. The remaining 10% is /bin/sh running sed and grep.permalink
事实上，百分之九十枭龙的软件是由PHP写的。剩余的百分之十是/bin/sh 在 sed and grep运行的。
[–]Notorious1994 3 points 3 days ago
China: simplist planes ever. Press this to go up, press this to turn right, press this to turn left
Pakistan: how do we go down
India: we'll take care of it
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[–]runfromtheraptor 1 point 3 days ago
i can see it now... "50 fighter jets spontaneously combust on a pakistan air base in the middle of the night, chaos ensues... pakistan blames america"
[–]lmaoreddit 3 points 3 days ago
new cold war coming?