[中国GDP世界第二]之印度网民评论

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导读:这是个2011年02月10号贴子,和GDP有关。印度人信心满满,还有就是数学的计算能力超强。大家看看三哥的不一样的评论。(原文我就不贴了。只贴出译文。印度网友的回复则原文和译文一并贴出。主要是考虑到铁血的字数限制问题) 以下是原文翻译: 二月十日—–印度计划委员会副主席Monte Singh Ahluwalia 预测,随着印度经济在世界上显示出强劲的增长势头和巨大潜力,在未来将逐渐取代中国的地位。同时他还在瑞士召开为期5天的世界经济论坛上还向印度托拉斯新闻媒体谈到“我们虽然一直在飞速增长,但是仍然还没有

这是个2011年02月10号贴子,和GDP有关。印度人信心满满,还有就是数学的计算能力超强。大家看看三哥的不一样的评论。(原文我就不贴了。只贴出译文。印度网友的回复则原文和译文一并贴出。主要是考虑到铁血的字数限制问题)

以下是原文翻译:

二月十日—–印度计划委员会副主席Monte Singh Ahluwalia 预测,随着印度经济在世界上显示出强劲的增长势头和巨大潜力,在未来将逐渐取代中国的地位。同时他还在瑞士召开为期5天的世界经济论坛上还向印度托拉斯新闻媒体谈到“我们虽然一直在飞速增长,但是仍然还没有达到经济潜在增长的最大值,增长速度从9%飞跃到10%的目标是不难的。如果相对于中国经济整体发展缓慢的话,那么这10%的增长速度明显就比中国快的多”。自2009年以来,印度遭受全球金融危机的影响和整个国家经济下滑至6.7%,印度正以每年9%的速度增长。预计今年的GDP将以7.75%的逐渐增长。截止2009年10月底,相对于中国所报道的10.7%的增长率印度经济仍然保持着较快的发展趋势。在孟买,亚洲简报出版商Chris Devonshire-Ellis和它管理合作者Dezan Shira & Associates 对“26亿报(印度的一家报刊公司)”说:“事实上,在今后的十年印度的GDP将大大超过中国,这一点不足为奇。但是我们应该看到印度获得发展的几点是远低于中国的。”“像中国这样要保持经济不断发展要比坐享获得的果实要困难得多,同时对于中国目前的汇率变动外界仍然持有怀疑的态度。中国应逐渐降低GDP的增长速度,印度则反之。这样才符合整个经济发展的规则”。

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Ohzee Says:February 11th, 2010 at 12:51 am

India Politicians, Businessmen, Bureaucrats, Economists etc. all like to harp about India’s GDP growth rate but, no one ever even mentions the number of people below the poverty line and how that number is growing.


印度的政治家,企业家,政府官员,经济学家等,都集中关注于印度的GDP增长率,但是却没有人提到还有那么多生活在贫困线下的人民,而这些人同时也在迅速的增长。


Mayur Says:

February 11th, 2010 at 10:47 am

Ohzee’s assertion re poverty although relevant and a significant issue in grand schemes of thing India is a superpower and a strong democratic country, with assertive Army, Air Force and Navy, a huge manufacturing industrial base, with significant software industry, biotechnology, automative, pharmaceuticals and a self sufficient, confident and ambitious country. Indian business organisations and enterpeneurs are also taking over significant business acquisitions in USA, UK and the West with increasing investments in energy sources.


India is a self sufficient, strong, and proud country.


Ohzee 的观点是,贫穷是因为各种各样的因素和更多的原因造成的。印度是一个超级大国和充分享受民主的国家,有着陆军,空军,海军为强大后盾,拥有着庞大的制造业基地,重要的软件业,生物研究,机车制造,医药等重要产业支柱,印度人还有自给自足的精神,很强的自信心和雄才伟略。同时在印度在能源投资方面不断增加的同时,还兼并了美国,英国和欧洲其他国家的很多家公司。


印度是个自给自足,强大和伟大的国家。


Chris Devonshire-Ellis Says:

February 16th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

It is easier as I said to have a larger GDP growth coming from a smaller base. Regardless of India’s problems – which are many – the country however is poised to do what China did over the past 20 years. People forget how China was, and I recall similar disbelief that China would ever awaken in the mid-1980′s. Having seen that progression first hand, I also see the same self belief and to some extent set of circumatances that will project India along the same growth curve, whatever the naysayers may suggest. Thanks for your comments – Chris


就像我说的那样,从一个很底的起点到一个增长很快的GDP。忽略了印度众多的问题而不谈,早在20年前,印度就一直筹划做着中国现在做的事。人们总是忽略了中国曾经是一个怎样的国家,在上世纪80年代中期,我也没有怀疑过中国会从此崛起。我也亲自见证了中国取得的辉煌成就,同时我也会看到印度将沿着这个增长弧线坚定地,在某种程度上的继续发展下去,不管是什么样的建议,都非常感谢你参与讨论。


anoop Says:

February 28th, 2010 at 2:29 am

If India sustain in its present GDP growth, it is very easy to overcome China. There is no reflection of recession in majour sectors, only one or two sectors are slightly affected. Superiority in science and space will be an adition to India.


如果印度一直保持目前GDP的增长速度,要超过中国是件很简单的事。印度都不会受到任何重要衰退因素影响,哪怕只有那么一到两次轻微的影响也不会撼动印度发展的地位。


另外,印度在科学,外太空方面的研究也是具有先进性的。


Pritash Chaudry Says:

March 1st, 2010 at 12:01 am

@Ohzee

We started as a poor country. Therefore poverty has been a part of India. But whats worth mentioning is the progress we are making and eliminating poverty. We are coming out of poverty not descending into it. Also India is a complex country, with different cultures, religions and. We are a democracy with 1.2 billion people to be looked after. What we are achieving is phenomenal.


So we like to harp about the positive news i.e. PROGRESS


我们是从一个穷国开始发展的。因为贫穷就是印度不可分割的一部分。我们所取得的成就和消除贫困是非常具有价值的。我们要摆脱贫困,而不是要再次陷入贫困中。同时印度也是个复杂的国家,有着不同的文化,宗教信仰。在这个国家还有12亿人需要照顾。看我们取得多么辉煌的成就啊。


所以,我们喜欢听到更多有关有进步的好消息。


asok Says:

March 6th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Is India the next Superpower? **I, India is a Superpower.


Just consider the following statistics.


1.India is the largest democracy in the world.

2. India is the oldest civilization on earth with over 8000 years of history.

3. India’s 1.5 billions population is larger than China’s 1.4 billions.

4. The fastest growing economy in the world for the last thirty years, averaging 20% a year.

5. The smartest people in the world with the highest IQ anywhere on earth.

6. India has the longest wall in the world, the only manmade structure visible on the moon.

7. India will send a man to moon by 2010.

8. India has the lowest cost car in the world, the Nano from Tata motor.

9. 60% of engineers in Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, Google and NASA are Indians.

10. 25% of current US governors are Indian-Americans, including the youngest one, governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal.


1.印度是世界上最民主的国家。


2.印度有着8000多年的文明历史。


3.印度有着15亿人口,要比只有14亿人口的中国要大得多。


4.在过去的30年间,印度以每年平均20%的速度增长,是世界上经济增长速度最快的国家。


5.印度人是世界上具有IQ值最高,最聪明的人。


6.印度有着世界上最长的城墙,甚至可以在月球上看到。


7.印度在2010年将把人送到月球上。


8.印度有着世界上最便宜的汽车,Nano就是TATA出来的。(两家印度汽车制造商)


9.在微软,预言家,世界奇观,Google和NASA宇航局,有60%的工程师都是印度人。


10.美国现任很多官员有25%都是印裔美国人,包括现在最年轻的路易斯安那州的行政长官Bobby Jindal.


(注:根据下面的回复来看,这几条应该是这位同志在讽刺印度人。^_^)


R Maxwell Says:

April 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

Historically, India has always been the richest country in the world. However, after much siphoning by invaders and post independence by the British, it inevitably became a very poor country.


We are now experiencing a resurgence, I believe Indians are very clever people, you can take their money away from them, but certainly not that brain they have between their ears!


India should concentrate on improving infrastructure, promoting her culture, not adopting anothers’, and start to care more for her people and encourage her citizens to do the same.


从历史上来看,印度曾经是世界上最富有的国家。但是后来被英国殖民者入侵后,直到独立,才变得贫穷的。


目前我们国家拥有丰富的资源,我相信印度是个非常聪明的民族,你可以把他们身上的钱拿走,但是你永远带不走他们的智慧。


印度应该大力发展基础设施建设,推动她的文化进步,而不是跟随潮流,同时要鼓励她的子民努力改造它,国家也应尽最大努力来关注民生。


John Says:

April 13th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

There’s a stereotype that Chinese are slow with regards to irony and/or sarcasm.


Despite that, when I read asok’s post…

“obvious troll is obvious.”


Honestly, asok, what do you have against Indians?


又是对中国发展缓慢讽刺的老一套。


尽管如此,我看过Asok的一篇帖子。


“仁者见仁,智者见智”


老实说,Asok,你为什么老是与印度人作对呢?(Asok就是楼上写10条的那位同志)


XXX Says:

May 11th, 2010 at 10:26 pm

Just **I, a whole host of countries will eventually surpass China in terms of GDP growth simply because they start from a very low base. So it is not just India, and there is really not much to brag about.


仅供参考,就仅仅因为他们起点低所以作为一个东道主来说,最终会超过中国。所以不光是印度,其实这些没什么值得炫耀的。


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@Mayur, and @asok,


- “… India is a superpower …”


Even China DOESN’T call itself a superpower. All talks about Chinese superpowerdom, including terms like G2, comes from the West (and occasionally from overseas Chinese).


You never hear the Chinese govt or the Chinese people inside mainland China calling itself a superpower!


And you call India a superpower???


“印度是个超级大国”


连中国自身都没有称之为超级大国,包括像G2(指的是中,美两个国家组织代替旧的八国集团),哪怕是西方国家也是(还有在海外其他国家的华人),都没有怎么称呼自己为超级大国的。


你永远不可能在中国政府或她的人民之间听到他们是超级大国的字眼。


你敢称呼印度为超级大国?


XXX Says:

May 11th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

@anoop,


- ” If India sustain in its present GDP growth, it is very easy to overcome China ”


According to the CIA World Factbook :


China’s GDP = 4,814,000

India’s GDP = 1,095,000


If China grows at a meagre 8% and India at a blistering 10%, it would take almost 81 years for India to catch up!


ie, [ 4814000 * (1.08 ^81) ] – [ 1095000 * (1.10 ^81) ]


That is India would NOT surpass China before 2091. And that is assuming India can grow at 10% every year for 81 years!


根据世界概况的数据显示:


中国的GDP=4,814,000


印度的GDP=1,095,000


对于中国来说只要稍微的增长8%,那么相对于印度来说就得要迅速的增长10%,也得要将近81年的时间才能赶上中国。如公式所示 [ 4814000 * (1.08 ^81) ] – [ 1095000 * (1.10 ^81) ]


也就是说到2091年印度也不可能超过中国。就因为印度以每年10%的速度,要81年后才能赶上!


ajay Says:

June 14th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

I think China will stay ahead in growth terms because its government has too much money. All Chinese government has to do is to spend, spend, and spend. With $2.5 trillion at hand China can spend it in infrastructure which will inturn create jobs and keep economy growing at double digit rate. India does not have that kind of money and it would better serve India to lift people out of poverty rather than compete with China.


我认为中国仍然会保持良好的增长势头,就因为他们的政府太有钱。中国政府所干的事就是花钱,在什么地方都花钱。只要有2.5万亿美金在手上,中国就会在基础设施和就业方面创造更多机会来保持经济以双倍数字的增长率。而印度却没有这么多钱,最好的办法就是解决贫困的问题而不是与中国攀比。


Carlos Says:

August 3rd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

I think ALL that Montek has said was that India was poised to overtake China’s GDP growth rate. Frankly, I see that as being eminently “doable”.


Realistically, barring catastrophe’s, I see India and China growing at an average of 6% and 4% respectively over the next 50 years. Non-fudged figures for China


我认为Montek所说的一切都是围绕着印度要超过中国的GDP增长率。其实,我知道那只是“可行”的办法而已。


实际上,如果没有重大的灾难发生,即使印度和中国各自增长率分别为6%和4%,那么也要将近50年的时间。对于中国来说那简直是胡说八道。


Carlos Says:

August 4th, 2010 at 9:00 am

“India’s GDP growth rate will overtake that of China’s”


I am hearing of this for the last year, no more. And, of course, it is because of the higher base (for China).


To think that China can continuously grow at 10% for the next 20 years (2010-2030) is being excessively optimistic, almost dreaming, imho. We can totally agree to disagree on this one.


在去年的时候,我就听说了“印度的GDP要超中国”,没别的了。当然这是对高起点的中国来说的。


我认为中国在今后20年,仍然保持10%的增长速度(2010—2030),这是十分乐观的数据,这也可能是个梦想,对与这一点,我们完全可以否认掉。


Carlos Says:

August 4th, 2010 at 9:09 am

IF, China were to grow at 5% per year for the next 15 years and IF its current GDP was US$ 5 trillion, THEN China’s GDP at the end of 15 years would be US$ 10.4 trillion, no more.


Also, I didn’t see Montek talking about India’s economy becoming larger than China’s in any period of time.


China is obsessed with growth and will do almost anything to achieve high growth rates, including fudging figures blatantly. Absolutely no one outside of China trusts China’s reported numbers completely.


如果中国今后15年,以每年5%速度增长,那么假设它的GDP是5万亿美元的话,那么15年后的GDP将是10.4万亿美元,就这样。


同时,我还发现Montek的谈话中并没有提到印度在什么阶段要超过中国。


中国不惜一切代价提高这一增长率,包括虚报数据。外部人士绝对不会相信中国所报的这些数据时真的。


Chris Devonshire-Ellis Says:

January 14th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

@Carlos – valid points, and well said. Montek was alluding to growth rates not economic size, and India is unlikely to overtake China in that aspect. However as a return on investment right now India is more likely to deliver higher rates of return. Our India operations growth is already faster than our China growth, albeit our India practice is just 20% of the size of our China practice. So what Montek is suggesting seems right from our experience. Thanks – Chris


Montek之前说的话中并没有提到经济增长的范围是多多大,况且从其他方面来说印度并不像取代中国的地位。但对于投资回报率来说,印度更希望能得到更高的回报率。我们的企业增长速度已经极大的超过中国的企业,尽管目前以20%在增长。所以,Montek所说提到的东西只是根据我们以往的经验来判断的。谢谢


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