[原创]看看国外论坛上怎么评论f-22对战J-20的

本贴的观点是在*******军事论坛上提出的,本人allenc66只是翻译,其观点并不代表本人allenc66观点,因翻译水平有限,不足之处还请高手指正

至于翻译本贴的原因是因为此贴中的观点比较客观,没有一味的贬低,发表看法的这些美国人应该都是有些基本的军事水平的人

Is the J-20 a potential threat to the F-22?

Looking at it and from what you have heard how good could this aircraft possibly be?

Is it all stealth?

The engine nozzles are exposed, is this a weakness?


Just curious if anyone has any details on this aircraft in its infancy. Of course it has a long while to go.

J-20 是f-22的潜在危险吗?从你们听到的和看到的来估计j-20是怎么样的,它是全天候隐形的吗?它的发动机喷口是暴露的,这会成为它的缺点吗?

仅仅是好奇而已,有人有关于这架飞机在刚出来是的细节吗,当然他还有很长一段路要走。

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War is about more than just technical superiority.

There are 180 F-22's. If China produces 5000 J-20's, they would overwhelm the F-22 by sheer numbers, even though it is inferior in one-on-one combat.

The days of people in fighter airplanes is coming to an end, and the next generation fighters will be unmanned aircraft with better performance, and longer loiter (flying) times than current generation

F-22/J-20's

战争不仅仅是科技上的优势,现在有180架f-22,如果中国产5000架j-20,他们将会完全战胜f-22,即便它在一对一中不如f-22。如今载人的战斗机时代将要终结,取而代之的下一代是无人机,同时会有比现在J-20和f-22更好的表现以及跟长的续航时间。

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yep, if you have numbers and will to sacrifice them, you can hunt down even better technology.

remember the effort of allied fighters to eliminate the German jets by strafing the jet bases, patrolling the general area to intercept jets slowing down for landing.


if not anything else, confirmed presence of the F22 formation in the air of a nuclear superpower might be a valid reason for employment of tactical nuclear weapons to smite those F22.

没错,如果你有足够的飞机来牺牲他们,你就能战胜比你更加强大的科技,记住同盟国战斗机通过扫射机场,侦查广大区域来拦截德国战机着陆而作出的努力。如果不是其他的东西,通过确认由f-22(应为J-20)组成的空中核力量的存在可能能成为用战术核武器来摧毁那些f-22(应为J-20)的正当理由(这家伙应该是打字手误,把j-20打成f-22了)

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The engine nozzles and aft fuselage of the J-20 aren't stealthy at all, yes. But that could simply mean that the plane is simply a technology demonstrator or a very early prototype. Some people think that the J-20 is superior to the F-22. Others believe that the J-20 is a threat because China will end up making thousands of these, versus a much smaller number of F-22s.

它的发动机喷口及机身尾部都表明他根本不是隐形飞机,当然,这也可能是说明此飞机仅是技术的演示物或是早期的原型。有人认为J-20比f-22更牛X,其他有些则认为中国会用大数量来打败为数不多的f-22

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The problem with the comparison of the J-20 and the F-22 is that the F-22 is operational and the J-20 is a prototype. So any answer that is plausible is just that - plausible. The true test will come down the road when and if the two aircraft are evenly matched with comparably equal pilots in some sort of Red Flag type exercise. To my knowledge no one has seen the J-20 even taxi, much less fly. All of the answers become pure speculation. Until some genius develops a "cloaking device" a la the Romulans in Star Trek, there will be point-counterpoint in aircraft design and development. Given the right circumstances, any fighter can bag any other fighter. All are potential threats. No one is ever completely safe or bullet proof.

用J-20和f-22来比较的问题是f-22已经是可以投入作战的成熟品,而j-20仅是原型机。所以任何的回答都是貌似有理的(美式幽默,反语,表示都是没有任何依据的)。真正的试验应是在两架飞机在同等条件下,用技术相当的飞行员来比较(Red Flag type不懂是什么东东,sorry。。。)。就我所知的是没人看见j-20滑行,更不用说飞行(这帖子是在j-20滑行视屏出来前写的?)。所有的答案都只是纯粹的炒作,除非有天才发明像在星际迷航中的测谎机(什么东东,不晓得),那时才会有在飞机设计及发展上的对比物。给予适当的条件,任何战斗机都能干掉其他飞机。所有都是潜在的危险,从来没有人是绝对的安全及防弹的。

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We'll never know. The chance of F22 vs J20 in a real war is close to zero.

我们可能永远都不会知道了,f-22和j-20在实战中对抗的几率几乎为零。



我勒个去,翻译有点小吃力,他们用的有些俚语和名词没见过,不明之处还请海涵

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