翻译点外国论坛对j20的评论!

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Isnt that a bit of a stupid statement. Neither the Mig nor the Su were ever built beyond test articles.


Is he trying to imply Russia has what 2, 3 "5th gen" fighters to everyone elses 1


MUPP网友发言:


这个观点难道不有点愚蠢吗?米格和苏霍伊只是验证机而已。


难道你是想向其他人证明俄国人有2,3个五代机吗?


Nanchang is now Hongdu. It was traditionally one of the most innovative Chinese design/manufacturing houses. Usually low funded projects that turned out pretty well.


Their line of products -- CJ6, Q-5 and K-8 -- actually have a pretty good reputation in relation to funding.


GOLDEN DRAGON发言


南昌现在是洪都,它一直以来都是中国传统的,最具有创新精神的设计和制造工厂。通常情况下,低投资的项目都会运行良好。


他们的生产线有- CJ6, Q-5 and K-8-事实上对他们的投资都不大,他们都具有很好的声誉。


Yes, but their Q-5 line is winding down and L-15 will not be a combat fighter replacement for Q-5 or the lowend .


they ( meaning their tactical fighter R/D capability) can not subsist on L-15.


They are working on UCAVs.


Interesting there was a idea to traineriz the FC-1 (twin seat, more structure life) flowing around but L-15 won out.


Guizhou is the more vulnerable one. I would rather see that capability rolled into Chengdu or something like that. they already co-operate on the FT-2000 project anyways


IE网友发言


是的,但是Q-5生产线已经逐渐放慢了,L-15并不是用来取代Q-5的战斗机。


他们的战术研发能力已不是用在L-15上,他们现在主攻无人机。


有趣的是现在大家都在谈论FC-1(双座,长结构寿命),但事实上,L-15更强。


贵州现在比较弱,我更希望他们被成都兼并,尽管他们现在已经在合作研制FT-2000


The L15 is the followon to the K-8 (arguably the most success Chinese export) and will have a customer base both domestic and overseas. Nanchang/Hongdu do compete with Guizhou domestically.


The main function of both firms is assembling trainers not UCAVs -- which at any rate are years in the future unless you are talking about re-purposed J-5 target drones (Ba-5) produced by Shenyang.


GODEN DRAGON 发言:


L-15是K-8的后继机型(事实上K-8是中国最成功的出口机),L15在国内外都会有广大的客户群。在中国国内,南昌(洪都)和贵州存在竞争。


这两个公司的主要作用在于培训技术人员,并不是为了无人驾驶战斗机—而是为了以后沈阳的J-5和BA-5无人机项目。


Theres a general trend of being more open with military projects. China is becoming more confident of its place in the world, and showing off its successes lets the world know China should be treated like a great power.


I think Chinese leaders are tired of the US not treating China as an equal, of building regional coalitions and doing wargames like they expect to patrol off Chinas coast forever, of the EU arms embargo, of people who still holds the obsolete paradigm that Chinas military industry would remain perpetually third rate. I think they want to send the message that they cant be contained, so show some respect.


This is much more valuable than secrecy of various projects, which to be honest we would expect the worlds intelligence networks to know a great deal more than us internet watchers. JXX probably has been photographed from space for years.


MUTLRIE发言:


现在中国的趋势是军事项目正变的越来越透明,正变的越来越自信,他们想证明他们在世界上的位置,显示他们的成功,让世界认识到他们也是一个大国。


我认为中国领导人对美国的不平等对待已经很反感,美国在中国周边建立军事结盟,举行军事演戏,联手欧洲对中国军事禁运,美国认为他们永远会有享军事优势,中国在军事上永远是第三等级,我认为中国想发出以下的信息:遏制对中国无效。所以,我们还是多尊重他们一点吧。


对于很多项目来说,公开透明要比保持秘密更有价值。事实上,我估计那些情报部门获得的信息还没我们从电脑上看到的多。也许J-XX早在几年前就已经拍好这些照片了。


It could be as simple as a changing and (explosively) wealthier society becoming ever more armed with cellphones and digital cameras that can take pictures and upload them on the internet.


It was far easier to keep things quiet in a poorer society when it wasnt the worlds largest internet population.


Its probably impossible to control 400 million internet users.


Maybe they couldnt keep it under wraps. Why assume that it could? We saw fuzzy pictures of J-10s from Chengdu in the 1990s and that was way before the explosion of the internet in China. Now, it could simply be the impossibility of keeping every one of hundreds of millions internet users from uploading pictures.


That said, all these pictures (and the J-10 ones before) were released in the Chinese language web world which is for all intent and purposes disconnected from the English speaking one we reside in on AFM. Every picture in this thread depended on a Chinese speaker transferring it from the Chinese world to the English one.


So if there was a purpose behind it, it was a message to the Chinese people first. Maybe its a nationalistic thing. But nationalism would be far better served by an official announcement.


Maybe the J-20 is already old news just like the J-10 was and the J-15 after that because more classified projects are proceeding in secrecy in a desert in the Northwest somewhere.


But the simplest explanation is that Chengdu is a major metropolitan area with seven million people in a fast changing society that is wired with broadband with digital cameras and cellphones everywhere. And CAC is smack in the middle of that.


有网友认为这次的网络泄密是中国政府的有意为之,并试图猜测中国政府的此次的真实用意。


GOLDEN DRAGON对此发言:


对于一个越来越富裕的社会而言,人们都有可拍照的手机,数码相机,他们可以随时上传照片,保密变得越来越难。


如果他们是一个很贫穷的社会,不是一个拥有这世界上最大上网人口的国家,那么,保密也许不是很难的事情。


控制4亿网络人口几乎是一件不可能的事情。


也许他们难以把飞机藏起来,但是谁说他们想那样做来着。在90年代,我们看到很多J-10的模糊照片,但是那是在中国网络应用爆发之前。但是现在,几乎不可能控制的住数以亿计的人,他们随时可以把照片上传到网络上。


这就是说,这些图片,包括之前的J-10图片,它们都被发布在中文网站上,但是因为语言不一致,我们有时候不能马上看到,但事实是他们都已存在,只不过没有人将它转发到英文网站上。


所以,如果中国政府在这件事情上是出于某种目的,这也是首先针对中国人而言的。


也许这是出于宣扬某种名族主义的东西,但是对于政府而言,民族主义正是服务于政府的最好工具。


也许J-20已经不在是什么新的东西了,就像是J-10一样,也许J-15因为保密需要,已经在西北的某个沙漠里正秘密试验。


但是另一个更简单的解释是,成都是一个有着700万人口的大都市,她正快速发展,她到处是手机和数码相机。CAC正好位于其中。


Oh, my god, its 21 pages now, approxi 3 pages per day since this a/c published online.


If our memory works, this a/c we should quite familiar to since its model unclassified several years ago. Why it provoked emotion so much, I wonder.


Have you ever noticed this only an enlarged fuselage of twin engine F-35 with 1.44 wing added, nothing new.


Mixing subsistant thing from others always does piece you created no good especially you made it in simple way.


When you say Rafale inherited Mirage, yes, it is, but only macroprofile, even the type of wing are not simplized took from Mirage, and rest each of them are different. When we say PAKFA is a Raptorski, you may say it rightly, but can you point exactly which part of Su-50 is same with F-22? You want to, but when you want to, each part you want to point contains quite a lot difference.


Now we can see the entire fuselage of J-20 merely is a scaled copy of F-35 and its wing shape is a copy of 1.44, maybe the aerodynamic profile of the wing is innovated by Chinese. However, just as member posted, the testing process of PAKFA also tried canards layout, why Russian do not like canards? Why the canards on J-20 was made as anhedral? Pelvic fin has been seen even, makes it a very interceptor back to last centery.


Oh, its canopy look like F-22, does this means advantage to us?


FRANC网友发言:


哦,天啊,已经21页了,几乎从这个飞机被公布以来,每天3页、


如果我没记错的话,这个飞机和它之前被公布的模型几乎一样,为什么会引起这么大的热情呢,搞不懂。


难道你没发现,这个飞机就是放大版的,双引擎的F-35,再加上一个1.44的机翼吗,没什么新东西啊。


把别的飞机上的东西缝补在一起,没什么好的,尤其是以这样的方式来做。


你看法国阵风,虽然传承于幻影,但仅仅是侧面轮廓有点像,即使是机翼都不是简单的照搬幻影,别的设计就更加不一样了。当我们说T-50的时候,你可以说他是猛禽斯基,但你能指出T-50的哪部分和F-22是一样的吗?如果你想那样做的话,如果你想,你找不出任何一部分是完全相似的 。


现在我们可以说J-20完全就是照抄的 F-35的机身,1.44机翼,也许中国人自己完成了机翼的风洞实验。不管怎样,就像以前一样,还是有盗版的嫌疑。


J-20的腹鳍更像是上个世纪的拦截者。


哦,他的舱盖竟然像是F-22的,它难道会对我们形成优势?