外国人想要加入PLA可能吗?一个有趣的话题

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请本文发帖会员注意,原创实质自己创作的原创作品,如果是译文,必须是首次发表的,请以后注意。--新铁血老战士朝韩大战各大媒体都已经聊了很久了没有结果,全部都是光打雷不下雨的,先放在一边不理。我们先来看看一则有趣的话题,今天在香港媒体上看到一则有趣的话题:一个来自芬兰的芬兰籍白人热血青年非常渴望加入PLA,为了加入PLA他认为他可以丢弃原来的国籍。以下是他在某个论坛上的发言:

[原文-加拿大]Could non-chinese join PLA?

[原文地址]:http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/army/could-non-chinese-join-pla-4639.html

[译文来源]:网贴翻译论坛

[翻译作者]:Aville

[译文地址]:http://www.ptfcn.com/ptfcn/s/121.html

译文导读:这是一位15岁的芬兰热血少年为加入中国人民解放军而发的帖子。

Could non-chinese join PLA?

外籍人士可以加入中国解放军么?

PLA Soldier(楼主)

As seen in topic, my porblem is that I wish to know would it be possible for non-chinese citizen to join PLÀ? This not a joke, I´m talking dead-serious about this.

如题,我想知道非中国公民加入解放军是否可能?大家别笑,我是认真的。

评论翻译

bd popeye

In my short 5 year study study of the PLA the answer is no

The answer can be found in this link below.

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf

由我五年来对PLA的研究来看,答案是否定的。

你可以看看下面的链接,其中有你要找的答案:

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...3dnplanavy.pdf(美国人的出台的中国海军报告,有时间可以去看看)

PLA Soldier

Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?

多谢你的回复,但是,如果我放弃原来的国籍,加入中国国籍呢,有可能吗?

bd popeye

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

Thank you for your answer. But, would it be then possible if I would give up my old citizenship and gain chinese citizenship?

Nope..Someone asked that question previously..several years ago in fact. Perhaps in this thread or in theold ez board days of 5 years ago.

You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.

You >>> PLA soldier <<<cannot join! Join the Army in your home country would be your best bet..

edit 5 minutes later...

Let's see as near as I figure you live in Finland and are only 15 years old according to your profile. So in most countries you have to be 17 or 18 to join the military. So just wait until then.

还是不行啦,有人最近问过和你一样的问题……好吧,是几年前,也许是五年前,当时这个论坛的版本可能还处于ezboard(公告板)时代吧。

你首先必须生为中华人民共和国的公民,才有资格加入解放军,其它一切免谈。

你,解放军战士,两者无缘,放弃吧,还是加入你自己国家的军队吧,这才是王道。

进一步说吧,由你的资料,我猜你住在芬兰吧,15岁,在大多数国家,法定参军年龄大概在17到18岁,所以,你还是再喝几年奶看看吧。

Finn McCool

There's always the Legion Etrangere

总是有外籍军团存在滴。

Damingli85

What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?

如果一个中国人先换成美国国籍,然后又恢复中国国籍呢?

bd popeye

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damingli85

What about Chinese turned into American citizen and then to Chinese citizen?

Nope

还是不行。

Quote:

You have to be Chinese citizen of the Peoples Republic of China to join the PLA. All others need not apply.

I should have stated a natural born Chinese citizen.

我的意思是你必须是一个土生土长的中国人。

HKSDU

answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA

连香港和澳门的年轻人都不让加入解放军呢。(ID显示应为香港人)

bd popeye

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKSDU

answer is no people not even Hong Kong or Macau people are allowed to join the PLA

Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.

You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.

多谢啦,西藏人不行,蒙古人不行,这些生活在中国西部省份的或者其它地方的非中原人种都不行(?),更何况是外国人?

你必须是一个土生土长的中国人,讨论到此为止。

backwindow

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.

You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.

Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.

解放军中是有西藏人,蒙古人,维族人在服役的,如果他们是中国公民。

lcloo

I was working in China, and I watched CCTV7 regularly. There was a Uyghu girl in PLA medical unit going round villages giving health aid. I remember she was an officer but I forgot her rank.

There are also many non-Han PLA soldiers in Inner Mongolia and Guangxi provinces. Zhuan people in Guangxi are non-Han Chinese.

我曾在中国工作过,时常看CCTV7军事频道,里面看到过一个维族医护兵女孩在给一些村落的人们提供医疗救助,我记得她是个军官,但忘了是什么军衔了。

的确有很多非汉族士兵在内蒙古和广西服役的,广西的壮族就不是汉族人。

Damingli85

But I was born in China! I just got my citizenship here for college .

可我以前就出生在中国啊!我只是为了上大学才换成现在的国籍。(这个华人后悔换国籍了)

backwindow

Although people from Hong Kong and Macau are legally Chinese citizen, they do have different passport.

尽管香港人和澳门人都是中国公民,可他们却有着(跟大陆)不同的护照。

kw64

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.

You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.

Sorry but this claim is not true, it's not unusual for Chinese minorities to serve in PLA:

很抱歉的说,bd popeye你的说法是不对的,中国少数民族去参军的情况很常见啊。

Here's an example of an Uygur officer:

下面就是一位维族军官的例子:

http://www.gmw.cn/CONTENT/2009-07/25/content_953564.htm

And a Tibetan officer:

而这是一位藏族军官:

http://military.people.com.cn/GB/107...3/7062275.html

tres

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Thank you! No Tibetans..No Mongolians none of the non racially Chinese people in western China or anywhere else in China. No foreigners.

You have to be a Chinese person born in China. Period.

That's not true. In the history of PLA, there were many people from other countries, including USA, Canada, and India joined PLA. In fact two of the most famous WWII era military doctors were Canadian and Indian.

bd popeye 你说的不对,在解放军历史上,有很多人是来自外国的,包括美国,加拿大,印度等,实际上,(中国)抗日战争中最出名的两位军医,一个来自加拿大,一个来自印度。

Today you could see Tibetan, Mongolian, Korean and Urger soldiers in uniforms in different ranks.

如今,你可以找到很多军衔不一的藏族,蒙古族,维族的士兵。

bball2k

Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.

According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.

恩,蛮有趣的,你们从哪听说非汉族人不能加入解放军的? CCTV7几个月前刚刚播过一期有关藏族士兵的节目,一些在西藏执勤,一些则在其它地方,关于维族士兵,也早就播过了。

根据维基百科资料,一个名叫赵南起(Cho Namgi)朝鲜族人,官至3星上将(1988年),当过军队指战员,党委书记,所以说少数民族将领晋升受到限制的说法也不成立。

bd popeye

Quote:

Hmm...this is interesting. Where did you hear that non racially Chinese people cannot join the PLA? CCTV-7 has showed Tibetans in PLA a couple months ago and you can watch those on youtube. Some are serving in the Tibetan areas and some outside. Uyghurs have been shown also.

According to wiki, a ethnic Korean Zhao Nanqi(Cho Namgi) was a 3 star general(1988) and a former director and party secretary of the PLA so it's not like ethnic minorities can't rise to high ranks either.

and...

Quote:

Originally Posted by backwindow

Tibetans & Mongolians & Uyghurs are doing service in PLA. If they are chinese citizen.

http://pic.itiexue.net/pics/2009_4_6_69463_9069463.jpg

Ooppss my bad Thanks for that information! I was unaware of that.

看来我错了,多谢指教,我以前还不知道呢。

PLA Soldier

OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?

谢谢所有回复的人,现在我的新问题来了:如果我现在搬到中国去住,然后获得中国国籍,那我再参军有戏吗?

bd popeye

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?

Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.

至少就我看来,不行。不过也有可能我错了,但这种情况微乎其微。

Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...

问你个问题,在我们的论坛和姐妹网站sinodefence.com上面,有那么多的解放军照片,可能成千上万张…

Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.

鉴于你来自芬兰,请问你是白人吗?我就臆断如此吧,那么请你翻翻看这些照片,你能找出一张,就一张,上面的解放军战士是穿着制服的白人吗?有过吗?我只是问一下。

PLA Soldier

Yes, I´m white western, and yes, I have never seen any white people in PLA uniform. That is the reason why I´m asking this from you.

是的,我是西方白人,我也承认,我从未见到有白人穿着解放军的制服服役,可这也是我向你问这个问题的原因。

lcloo

From my observation while in China, I have noticed that,

以我在中国观察的经历,曾经注意到一下的事情:

The recruitment exercise starts with a large red banner hung up by local village or town government. At the same time local TV will broadcast the time, place, age and document requirements. (In Shenzhen, almost every town has its own TV broadcasting control).

征兵事宜一般被当地村镇政府大事操办,会悬挂红色的横幅来进行宣传,本地电视台会广播征兵时间,地点,所需准备的材料。(在深圳,几乎每个村镇都有自己的闭路广播电视)

I only witnessed one recruitment exercise in the same village which I stayed for 7 years. I could have missed a few though. Also, may be because the PLA was cutting down its size during those years, so less recruitments.

我在我待过7年的小集镇只目睹过一次这样的征兵行动,很可能我错过了一些吧。但也有可能是因为这些年解放军一直在执行裁军政策吧,所以征兵次数减少也理所当然。

An important documrnt is Residence Card 户口issued by Public Security Bureau. Only mainland Chinese citizens have this document, Hongkong and Macau people don't have this as they are ruled under different laws. Without this residence card, you have no way of getting in PLA. (Residence card is not ID card, fake ID cards were easy to get but not residence cards).

(应征)的一个很重要的材料是你的户口本,由公安局颁发,只有大陆人才有这样的本本,香港人,澳门人没有,因为一国两制嘛。没有这个小本子,你是无论如何也参不了军的。(户口本不是身份证,假的身份证容易搞,可你搞个假户口本试试看?)

Interview was in collaboration with local town government. I think they want to acertain the personal information and check for crime records, and also priority will be given to member of communist party.

征兵也离不开本地政府的协助,我认为他们是想借此确认应征人员的个人信息,检查是否曾有过犯罪记录,当然,中共党员有被优先招募的权利。

kw64

Quote:

Originally Posted by bd popeye

Nope..not as far as I know. But I could be wrong...but I don't think so.

Question for you PLA. In our forum here and our sister site sinodefence.com there are hundreds and hundreds of pictuces of PLA soldiers. Thousands proabaly...

Since you are from Finland..May I ask are you white? That is my assumption. So if you check out photos of the PLA have you evere seen a white westerner in the uniform of the PLA? Ever??? Just asking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLA Soldier

OKey, thank you for your answer everyone. I have question, and that comes now: If I would move to China, and gain citizenship of Peoples Republic of China, would it be then possible for me to join PLA?

Popeye:

I would say that's an underinformed conclusion, partially because the white/black Chinese population is relatively small, so you don't see them in photo ops very often...

对Popeye说:

我得说,你的说法有欠推敲,(找不到白人解放军战士)的原因,一部分是因为黑或白种中国人的比例在中国人口里相对较低,你看不到是很正常的

I'd suggest you to read the latest revised Chinese law regarding military service, in Chapter 1, section 3: http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm

我建议你读一读最新修订的中国解放军服役法,在第一章,第3节。

http://www.gov.cn/banshi/gm/content_63510.htm

It states "All Chinese citizen, regardless of ethnicity, race, occupation, family background, or degree of education, have the full right to serve in the military."

指出:凡中国公民,不管其种族,族群,职业,家庭背景,或教育程度,都享有到军队服役的权利。

PLA did have two ethnic Russians serving as 1-star generals in the army back in the 60s:

http://www.360doc.com/content/090716...1_4302019.html

回溯至60年代,解放军里确实有两名俄罗斯裔的一星将军在役。

Here's some other examples of PLA soldier of Russian descent:

这里有几个其它俄罗斯后裔解放军战士的照片:

铁血网提醒您:点击查看大图


......待续


本文内容于 2010/12/28 23:28:49 被新铁血老战士编辑

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198楼lyp001

 以下是引用gorilla12356 在第187楼的发言:
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说话要适当,国家的民族可没像你说得那样悲观。不管什么族当政,只要对国家发展才有用,我们才支持

汉族人比例最低的省份是独立运动最强烈的,你可以注意一下

我是广西人,更是壮族人,在我眼里中国没有所谓壮族汉族之分只有卖国贼和爱国者的区别,请你们记住中国是全体56个民族的中国不是你们汉族一家的,你们这些大汉主义令我感到恶心,更怀疑你们是网特挑拨民族矛盾…真恶心看到丝带腾空像吃了蜜糖一样高兴却碰见你们这些恶心的苍蝇

 以下是引用lyp001 在第198楼的发言:
 以下是引用gorilla12356 在第187楼的发言:
 以下是引用wwwangyou268 在第182楼的发言:
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说话要适当,国家的民族可没像你说得那样悲观。不管什么族当政,只要对国家发展才有用,我们才支持

汉族人比例最低的省份是独立运动最强烈的,你可以注意一下

我是广西人,更是壮族人,在我眼里中国没有所谓壮族汉族之分只有卖国贼和爱国者的区别,请你们记住中国是全体56个民族的中国不是你们汉族一家的,你们这些大汉主义令我感到恶心,更怀疑你们是网特挑拨民族矛盾…真恶心看到丝带腾空像吃了蜜糖一样高兴却碰见你们这些恶心的苍蝇

我顶

 以下是引用太子党徒 在第157楼的发言:
全都是P话 在中国有钱什么办不到

把你老爸照片挂天安门城楼上看看

214楼全味青

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我是苗族,暴乱多的就是少数民族?这点虽然表面上看起来是,但是你不能否认,这其中的暴乱的原因很多都是侵害到了少数民族的自身根本权利.中国的全称是什么?中国的国旗的象征是什么?为什么每次春晚都会有很多很多少数民族的节目?很明显,因为中国不是汉人的,而是我们56个民族共同的家园,也许有很多人在内部搞分离,但是我可以确定的说,我们少数民族很多人都很爱国.我家在少数民族自制区,我们一样在汶川地震的时候流泪和无私的去捐款.所以不管是什么民族,但是我们都依然爱着我们的祖国.

193楼ylduke

 以下是引用纳粹神鹰 在第192楼的发言:
 以下是引用dd.zgd 在第188楼的发言:
 以下是引用纳粹神鹰 在第185楼的发言:
芬兰人 得看看你的成分 你爷爷是地主不?你身上有纹身吗?要是有 你就是黑社会 所以你想参加中国军队不是很容易的 即使你在有才,万一你是特务呢?

你的想法太犀利了 PF PF

中国就是这样的制度 美国总统蹲过牢 吸过毒 中国这样的人能当总统吗?

没错,只要你犯过,不管有没有改正,基本上你都会被排除在外


中国啥都缺,就是不缺没犯过事的老百姓


当然,如果你有个李刚他爸那个级别的爹,就另当别论了


别说你是个外国人,你就是美国总统都能让你参加pla当个三年兵

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