阿三们感觉很良好:印度人自信能够超越中国!(中英文对照)

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印度能超越中国吗?看看三锅们怎么说post by txtlover / 2010-9-27 23:16 Monday / 英语 /

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Can India ever beat China? Here's what the aam aadmi says

In a recent interview with rediff.com, Professor Arvind Panagariya had said that economic power would shift from the Western nations to Asia and China, and India would emerge as a major economic power.Panagariya is a professor of Economics and Jagdish Bhagwati Professor of Indian Political Economy at the Columbia University in New York."In 15 years . . .we will more or less become what China is today and that will make us the fourth largest or maybe even third economy in the world," he had said.

Nobel Laureate Amartya Sen wrote in Asia Society: ". . . China is quite a big figure in Indian thinking and has always been so. In 7th century when Xuanzang left India and went back to China after having spent about a decade in India, he asked rather implausibly the question, 'Is there anyone in India who does not admire China fully?' This is the nice 7th century question. It is a serious question and of course it is coming in many different forms."

In the same article, Sen pointed out that "China's success in economic growth and the number of poorer people going down have been radically high. But let me mention here a slight contrast. The Chinese -- if the world has many fewer poorer people today in terms of lowness of income, and that is indeed the case, the biggest contribution of that has come from China. The second biggest is India but quite a big distance behind China."

Do you believe in this argument? Does India have what it takes to surpass China in terms of economic growth and prosperity, or at least catch up with the Dragon over the next few decades?

We asked common people to speak on the issue and came across some interesting viewpoints.

在最近的一次采访中,阿尔文德·帕纳加里亚教授(印度裔美国人,在哥伦比亚大学经济系任教授,前亚洲发展银行首席经济学家——by维基百科,译者注)说:“世界经济重心将从西方世界转移到亚洲和中国,印度也将作为一个主要经济力量而崛起。在15年之内,我们将取得中国现在的地位,并成为世界第4甚至第3大经济体。”

诺贝尔经济学奖获得者阿玛蒂亚·森(印度人,但他一生多数时间却在英美两国。只是由于他未放弃印度国藉而非为印度长期工作才成为首位诺贝尔奖印裔得主。——译者注)说过:“……中国一直以来都是印度人想达到的榜样,7世纪时,唐玄奘在印度待了十年后回到中国,他难以置信的问道:‘在印度就没有人不对中国感到五体投地吗?’在7世纪,这是个很好的发问。这个问题值得我们认真对待,同时它也涉及到方方面面。”他同时指出:“中国在经济增长和减少贫困人口这两方面都相当迅速。但与此同时,在减少贫困人口这方面,中国的确做出最大的贡献。印度则是第二名,并且我们远远落在中国之后。”

你相信这些言论吗?印度有能力变得比中国更加繁荣富有吗?或者至少在未来的十来年内取得和中国一样的地位?

诚邀各位来聊聊看法,期待你们的智慧火花。

(下面是评论,从最新的开始。他们好像都加了标题)

by rajesh nair (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 05:37 PM | Hide replies

yes India can... if population is the only criterion!!

我们能…如果人口是唯一的判断标准的话!!

by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:41 AM | Hide replies

Indians comparing themselves with China all the time , its pathetic . Chinese are hard working people with a can do spirit . They are way ahead of India in the fields , factories , sports, and the battlefield.They walk with pride and respect in international streets . On the other hand Indians peddle ahimsa, some spiritual mumbo-jumbo and little else. It's pathetic.

印度人老爱和中国人比,真是杯具。中国人很勤奋,又有开拓精神。他们不管是农业、工业、体育还是打仗都比印度强。他们在国际上既骄傲也受尊敬。而印度呢,兜售不杀生主义,什么神秘的精神力量和别的零碎。杯具。”

by Rockey Fox (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 04:15 PM

Dear Friend,USSR was once a super power competiting & feared by US,,, then there came democracy (Boris Yelsin with west support)in USSR and its doom,,,

Thanks to Putin,,, They are on track now,,,

We got Democracy & so called Secular even before we could provide two normal meals to our people,,,It became our biggest hurdle in development,, be it Industralisation,,Land holding patterns, labour laws, SEZ etc,

Let us wait and see how stable China will be if Democracy & Secularism are enforced in that country,,,It

will crumble faster than USSR,

By rule of gun wonders can be achieved anywhere even in India,,

亲爱滴朋友,

苏联曾是与美国对抗乃至让其惧怕的超级大国,,,可是民煮(受西方支持的叶利钦)一来苏联就垮了,,,

还是多谢普京,他们现在终于走上正轨,,,(呃,这位印度童鞋,假如译者没记错,普京是叶利钦钦点的吧)

我们有民煮和所谓的世俗主义,就算我们还不能保证每个人都能有一日两餐,,,这是我们发展道路上的最大阻碍,,工业化,土地所有制,劳工法,经济特区等等,

就等着瞧吧,看看中国在民煮和世俗主义无可避免的时候,,,它会垮得比苏联更快,

枪杆子里出政权(但愿没理解错),哪里都一样,包括印度,,

by Dhruba Sarma (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:42 AM

And I forgot . Indians also get thrashed i international cities without hitting back .

对了,在国际化的都市里,印度人饱受摧残而毫无还手之力。

Taking India Ahead

为印度之崛起

by Bob Shivaram (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 10:04 AM | Hide replies

China has a planned, sustained and agressive growth model and herein lies the difference. The political scenario in India is so divided in promoting oneself at any cost and paying lip service to national interest is the bane of the Indian society at large. Democracy is fine , but coalition politics will always hold us back. Today India is 50 years behind China in development. Infrastructure is the key. At the current rate the gap will only widen.Regional interests cannot outweigh national prioirities.Correct this anomaly and we will have half the job done. Look at the Government's inability to resolve land aquisition problems for starters.In addition we have two major issues threathening us . The first being corruption and the second the loss of over 20 % of the land to naxalites where it is there writ that operates.Now we have all kinds of troublesd on our borders - the most alarming being the Chinese themselves.Simply put the answer lies in getting national and regional parties to agree on a common agenda and policy guideline for tackling the issues that are a major cause of concern and an impediment to our progress.

中国有一个计划好的、可持续的并且积极进取的模式,这就是区别。印度的政策是四分五裂的,政客不计代价的推销自己、开空头支票,这祸害了整个印度社会。民煮固然好,但是一盘散沙的政策会永远阻碍我们。如今印度落后中国50年。基础设施是关键,而目前的状况只会拉大差距。地区利益不能高于国家利益。纠正这个错误我们就已经事半功倍了。看看印度政府在处理土地兼并问题上一开始就表现得多么无能。此外我们还面临两个严重威胁;一是腐败,二是纳尔逊分子(亦称印度共产党——译者)。后者可能夺走超过全国五分之一的土地。今天我们的边境上有各种各样的麻烦,其中最让人担心的就来自中国。对于这个问题,我们只要在国家与地区之间达成一致,再制订一个抓住问题的政策方针就好了。

Overdose of Democracy

过份民煮

by digant pathak (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 09:33 AM | Hide replies

It would be difficult to reach the level of China as in India we have overdose of democracy which provides huge scope for anti development protest, destruction of public property in the name of agitations.

如果我们继续这么过份民煮下去,要赶上中国,很难。这样的民煮纵容了反对发展的抗议,还有对毁坏公共财产的煽动。

No need of comparision

不需要比较

by neearj Thapliya (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:18 PM | Hide replies

Corruption is the root cause of the faliure of every measure taken in the improvement of the ares like population, pollution, education, infrastructure, law...... if that is done everything is done,,,comparision will not help,,,,and if we need to copmare then there are any number of countries from the west to be compare,,time for improvement,,,attitude and intergrity towards the nations should be change of the whole society,,,,we are still trapped in hindus,,muslims,,,,etc....

腐败是万恶之源,不论从什么角度来说,人口、污染、教育、基础设施、法律……此事毕,诸事毕,,,比较无济于事,,,,我们要比就和西方国家比,,发展的长短,,,国家的态度和完整性会改变整个社会,,,,我们依然纠结于印度教,,MSL教,,,,等等……

The comparison is inevitable.....

比较是不可避免的……

by Aneet Aggarwal (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 03:15 PM | Hide replies

I think that its very true that india first should correct itself in key areas like corruption,taxation,education,infrastructure,leadership and governance. chinese have done and so do we can. I think that india should now take some bold economic decisions and show some risk taking ability like china which will help india grow enormously. india with this pace can never match china. we should try to explore our own capabilities and strenghts and work on it a better, we need not copy china in every aconomic decision. India's democracy, strong media, entrprenuership and brands are well known in the world. Mass production will reduce cost and thus increase exports. india should work to its full potential

我认为印度真正要做的是改正关键的地方,比如腐败、税收、教育、基础设施、领导阶层和管理能力。中国人做到了,我们也能做到。我认为印度现在应该向中国一样做些大胆的经济决策,展示出承担风险的能力,这样才能有助于印度的长足进步。以印度如今的脚步是永远无法赶上中国的。我们应该尽力发掘出我们自己的能力和长处,发扬光大,我们不需要模仿中国的每一个经济策略。印度有民煮、强势的媒体、企业家以及扬名世界的品牌。大量生产会减低成本并促进出口。印度该开足马力了。

China's growth isn't likely to slowdown

中国的增长不会放缓

by XianYe(看似拼音,难道是同胞?) (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 12:12 PM | Hide replies

till each and every major province in the country is turned in to a Germany, a France, a Britain, a Spain etc. China has got a long long way to go, even in the well-known field of infrastrcture building with such projects as high-speed rails(13,000km by 2012), expressways(11,000km each year till 2013), nuclear power plants(dozens under construction and more planned or proposed), wind and solar farms(all the rage), etc. China is determined to have all major provinces achieve infrastructure densities as high as those in european states. China is also urbanizing in a huge way. The latest plan is to turn "towns" into "cities". So far, each county has only one "city" where the county seat is located. Soon each

county will have several "cities", meaning, amongst other things, a boom in infrastrcture and housing investments in rural areas. China won't stop till its rural population shrinks (from the current 50%) to 5% of the total. Those forecasting, or rather wishing, a slowing, let alone collapsing, China will be sourly disappointed.

中国想要把每个主要的省份变成德国、法国、英国、西班牙……还有很长的路要走。就算是基础设施中的著名项目:高铁(2012年建成13,000公里),高速公路(每年建成11,000公里,直至2013年),核电站(数十个在建中,更多的在规划中及提议中),风能及太阳能发电厂(现在流行这个),等等。中国决心要把所有主要省份的基础设施密度建得和欧洲国家一样。与此同时,中国也在急剧的城市化中。最新的规划是将“县”变为“城”。迄今为止,每个县只有在县政府所在地才算是“城”。很快每个县会有几个“城”,这意味着,多管齐下、齐头并进,偏远地区的基础设施和房地产开发会有一次急速发展。直至农村人口占总人口从如今的50%降至5%。那些预测,或者说盼望中国会减缓发展甚至崩溃的人,会红着眼睛失望的。

Re: China's growth isn't likely to slowdown

回复:中国的增长不会放缓

by Rockey Fox (View MyPage) on Sep 07, 2010 04:19 PM

Dear Friend,

USSR was once a super power competiting & feared by US,,, then there came democracy (Boris Yelsin with west support)in USSR and its doom,,,

Thanks to Putin,,, They are on track now,,,

We got Democracy & so called Secular even before we could provide two normal meals to our people,,,It became our biggest hurdle in development,, be it Industralisation,,Land holding patterns, labour laws, SEZ etc,

Let us wait and see how stable China will be if Democracy & Secularism are enforced in that country,,,It will crumble faster than USSR,

By rule of gun wonders can be achieved anywhere even in India,,

亲爱滴朋友,(那位又来了,一模一样的回复)

苏联曾是与美国对抗乃至让其惧怕的超级大国,,,可是民煮(受西方支持的叶利钦)一来苏联就垮了,,,

还是多谢普京,他们现在终于走上正轨,,,我们有民煮和所谓的世俗主义,就算我们还不能保证每个人都能有一日两餐,,,这是我们发展道路上的最大阻碍,,工业化,土地所有制,劳工法,经济特区等等,

我们就等着瞧,看看中国在民煮和世俗主义无可避免的时候,,,它会垮得比苏联更快,

枪杆子里出政权,哪里都一样,包括印度,,

The latest news has it that

最新的消息是

by XianYe(比较确定是中国人啦~你好你好~) (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 11:55 AM | Hide replies

China plans to have 260,000km rail tracks by 2020. What's India plan?

中国计划在2020年建成260,000公里铁路。印度的计划呢?

AMerica will alway remain the superpower .. because

美国会继续保持超级大国地位…因为

by raj (View MyPage) on Sep 06, 2010 10:56 AM | Hide replies

the world will finance USA lifestyle. That is just the way it is and that is just the way it will be for long time to come. Amercians will enjoy low inflation, big homes , big life, strong currency, strong influence and overall a good lifestyle with excellent purchasing power and best quality standards product.

Good for them, since they helped us to expand our economy by sacrificing their jobs for us..

世界会继续为美国买单,过去如此,以后很长一段时间也会如此。

美国人会继续享有低通胀、大房子、长寿(猜的,原文为big life ——译者),强势的货币,巨大的影响力,以及基于强大购买力和高质量产品的生活方式。

多谢他们牺牲了就业率,为了让我们增长经济……

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