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导读:[size=14][B]Why is China so timid on border issue with India? 为什么中国对中印边界问题如此胆小怕事? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm a Chinese,all the latest border development between China and India will benefi

Why is China so timid on border issue with India?

为什么中国对中印边界问题如此胆小怕事?---翻译

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I'm a Chinese,all the latest border development between China and India will benefit INDIA finally. China is so soft and coward to safeguard its territory.

我是个中国人, 最近发生的中印边界问题的争论最终的优势会倾向于印度一方, 因为中国政府对于国家的领土守卫上是如此的软弱,懦弱

India PM visited Zangnan region(Arunachal Pradesh),Chinese leaders have never been there. PM's visit to Zangnan means a lot in future:

印度总理访问藏南地区(AP)阿鲁纳恰尔邦, 而中国领导人从未到过那里,总理访问藏南地区对于未来的发展包含了很多含义

If China and India can not solve the border issue in future decades,the indian's PM to Zangnan added a lot of marks for india in future,this will be the evidence and proof for India to claim more.

如果中国跟印度在未来10年内还是没能解决边界问题, 印度总理对于藏南的访问将来会给印度在这事件上面加分,这将会给印度申明要求更多的要求提供证据

On the contraray,Chinese spokenman's reply is:

相反, 中国外交部发言人回应道:

"We demand the Indian side address China's serious concerns and not trigger disturbances in the disputed region so as to facilitate the healthy development of China-India relations," spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said in a statement on the ministry's website.

我们要求印度这方注意中方的严重关切, 不要在有争议地区引起扰乱为的是为中印关系的发展提供更方便更健康的环境

Study this sentence: Chinese uses words like Disputed,what does that mean? It means Chinese side think it's controvercial,and we China and negotiate with India to solve it,which indicates China does not have the claim of entire Zangnan.

仔细想想这句话, 中方使用了像有争议等词汇, 那是什么意思? 意思就是说中方认为这地区是有异议的, 有争议的, 我们中国需要跟印度协商以解决这个问题, 那就意味着中国政府没认为藏南原本就是属于中国的

Indian uses action to prove entire Zangnan's its land,China uses soft and coward verbal words to defend India,just used a word DISPUTED....

印度政府以实际行动证明整个藏南是印度的领土, 而中国则用懦弱的词汇反击印度, 像有争议等等...

From above, obviously,India will win this boder battle.

从上所述看, 很明显,(明显吗? 就一些词汇? 呵) 印度会赢得这场边界之争.

Being a Chinese,i feel so frustrated and sad.......

作为一个中国人, 我感到遭受到了挫折,失落和悲伤...(有点过于敏感了)

third eye

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Why should Chinese visit AP ?.. and why should there be any concerns if the Indian PM visits an Indian state ?

为什么中国领导人要访问藏南(AP)阿鲁纳恰尔邦? 还有为什么印度总理访问印度的一个邦也会产生关切?(他娘的, 他说他的, 你说你的, 他们根本不会理会中国讲什么, 态度强硬的很)

yohoexpo

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You're an indian,it's understandable for you to say it and vice versa for Chinese.

I'm sure INDIA will win this border battle eventually.

你是印度人, 我能理解你为什么这样说就像反过来中国也会这么说的

我确信, 你们印度最终会赢得最后的边界之争的 (老兄, 你有点长他人之威风了, 很多情况你还不了解, 下这么快结论, 过于悲观了)

arihant

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I agree with yohoexpo on sentiments from both side.

India might win AP and will loose AC.

我同意YOHOEXPO(伤透了心的中国小愤青, 呵呵)在2边的看法, 印度有可能赢得AP (阿鲁纳恰尔邦), 但将会失去AC(阿克赛钦 另一有争议地区)

yohoexpo

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All this situation proves Chinese gov only is interested in Tawang,and will finally give up zangnan region.

所有的情况说明了中国政府只对台湾感兴趣, 最后会放弃藏南地区(怎么会, 用膝盖想想)

Chinese spokenman use Distriputed. I'm sure India think tank can read more from this word. China 's idea is clear we can talk to solve it.

中国外交部发言人使用了有争议这个词, 我想印度的智囊团能从这个词中读出很多意思来, 中方的意思再明白不过了, 我们可以谈谈. (估计这哥们是个华人, 不了解中国国防政策, 中国最善于玩弄文字游戏了)

third eye

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Happy to read a sane answer.

很高兴能读到理性, 明智的回答 (理性你NND个头, 说你们好, 你们当然开心了)

AMOY

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I am very dissatisfied with the Chinese government, and now the Chinese government has become a synonym for timidity. Chinese people don't need the government would only shout slogans.Not only in the south tibet, in nansha, if the Government always do something like today, sooner or later will be abandoned by people

我对中国政府的做法非常不满意, 现在的中国政府好像已经成为了胆小, 软弱的代名词了, 中国人民不需要政府天天喊口号, 如果中国政府总是表现的跟现在一样的软弱, 迟早会被人民抛弃的(估计这也是位有血性的中国爷们)

feifanke

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LZ还是年轻啊

TG的抗议是要仔细思量的

1、抗议

2、强烈抗议

3、再次强烈抗议(都是无用工)

4、是可忍孰不可忍(开始屯兵)

5、勿谓言之不预(作战计划完成,兵力部署结束)

6、悬崖勒马(扁人结束)

联合国军、阿三、越南猴子……都是这么个套路,10年内,大概TG还不希望发生战争 (哈哈, 几个中国哥们直接在人家论坛用中文聊上了, 估计要劝劝那位受伤的小愤青, 呵呵)

yohoexpo

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我们的发言人用有争议的地区。

而印度人直接总理去。 中国有点软了。。。。

arihant

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could you please translate in eng.

你们能把刚才的话翻译成英文吗? (哈哈, 阿三郁闷了... 看不懂)

feifanke

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说话软,不好么?不说硬话,不做软事

难道要学阿三,波兰,韩国,台湾,冈比亚这5大轴心

yohoexpo

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I really can not figure out why our PM used one entire day to listen to a school techer's lesson,and even pointed out some errors,what does our minister of education do????premier,please use more time and action to care our country's territory completion,our ocean interest,our people's healthcare,housing,and education problems.

我实在是不能够理解为什么我们的总理能用一天的时间在学校里听老师讲课, 还指出一些问题所在, 那我们的教育部长干什么去了? 总理! 请花更多的时间和行动关心一下我们国家的领土完整, 我们海洋的权利, 我们人民的健康问题, 住房问题, 还有教育问题( 唉 这小愤青, 还不是一般的“粪”, 总理主抓经济,否则要主席干什么啊? 人民的健康问题, 住房问题, 还有教育问题都已经在提案上了,胡哥在国家安全战略上会把持的)

yohoexpo

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阿三有民主的政治,领导人要考虑如何真正的赢得民心,我觉得从长远看,也许阿三真能在很多方面 超越中国。

中国的那些既得利益集团,最关心的是自己的统治稳固性和长久性。

这或许是中阿三间最大的区别。

aimarraul

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别发牢骚了,温爷爷不容易,啥都要管,收复领土这种事得胡哥出马。。。。 (哈哈, 想的跟我一样)

aimarraul

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Originally Posted by yohoexpo

我们的发言人用有争议的地区。

而印度人直接总理去。 中国有点软了。。。。

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强硬有个鸟用,用智慧把利益最大化更实际,老毛够强硬了吧,全国人民穷的叮当响,我倒是巴不得印度在强硬点 ,最好打到阿克赛钦来(AC),到时候咱出兵也不会给人嚼舌头 (我太喜欢你了, 兄弟 哈哈)

cat

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Originally Posted by yohoexpo

阿三有民主的政治,领导人要考虑如何真正的赢得民心,我觉得从长远看,也许阿三真能在很多方面 超越中国。

中国的那些既得利益集团,最关心的是自己的统治稳固性和长久性。

这或许是中阿三间最大的区别。

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你以为阿三民主了就是代表了万千劳苦大众了吗?为何要纠缠于政治方式呢,检验一个政府的合法性唯一的方式是 他代表了多少最下层阶级的利益,为什么毛泽东在中国一如既往的受到爱戴,即使是文革中被他整惨了的人,正是 这个道理。(到后来, 发现变成中国网友开批斗会了,...)

yohoexpo

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Originally Posted by aimarraul

别发牢骚了,温爷爷不容易,啥都要管,收复领土这种事得胡哥出马。。。。

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胡哥何時亮劍?他的任期臨近尾聲,難以進展呀。不知平平上台有無進展。

其實關於領土問題,領導人強硬會更獲民心,尤其在中國,歷史往往都會正面的評價護或擴領土者。(繁体字, 莫非他是...)

Ruag

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Both these regions are sparsely populated, barren and mountainous with absolutely no natural resources. (Statistically speaking, Arunachal Pradesh is the most sparsely populated state of India and Aksai Chin isn't populated either).

这2个地区(争议)都是人烟稀少的, 自然资源也很贫瘠

So... there isn't much difference between Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh in terms of strategic and economic value.

所以从战略和经济价值上讲, AKSAI CHIN 阿克赛钦(AC) 和 AP 阿鲁纳恰尔邦 都差不多

Funny actually... usually countries fight over resource-rich areas. And here we have two of the world's largest countries locking horns over AC and AP.

搞笑的说, 一般很多国家都是为了资源储备丰富地区而发生战争, 而我们2个世界上最大的国家居然为了2个鸟不拉屎的地区争的不可开交(战略地位重要啊)

yohoexpo

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Originally Posted by cat

你以为阿三民主了就是代表了万千劳苦大众了吗?为何要纠缠于政治方式呢,检验一个政府的合法性唯一的方式是 他代表了多少最下层阶级的利益,为什么毛泽东在中国一如既往的受到爱戴,即使是文革中被他整惨了的人,正是 这个道理。

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Yes, Mao era was at least equal economically,so all Chinese supported him at that time, when a country entered different period,people have different pursuits,the biggest problem in China now is the corruption,unfair leader promotion rules,etc. Chinese saying 不患寡,患不均,which is really true even thousands of year was gone. Unfairness is untolerable in every soceity.

是的, 老毛时代, 至少人民在经济上是平等的, 所以那个时候中国人民是支持他的, 当一个国家进入一个不同的时期时, 人们就会有不同的追求, 中国现在最大的问题就是腐败,不公平的的领导选举制度(注意中国国情, 人民代表制,或许在个人民主方面不能跟西方的全民选举制相媲美,但是最符合中国的现状, 国家利益高于一切!!!)中国人经常说 不患寡,患不均, 几千年过去了,这句话依然有用, 不公平在任何社会角落都是不可忍受的

aimarraul

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Originally Posted by yohoexpo

胡哥何時亮劍?他的任期臨近尾聲,難以進展呀。不知平平上台有無進展。

其實關於領土問題,領導人強硬會更獲民心,尤其在中國,歷史往往都會正面的評價護或擴領土者。

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藏南只可能打回来,地球人都知道,胡哥也不是傻子,但是打仗要钱啊,美国佬收拾几个塔利班一年都得1000 多亿,咱们一年军费还不到800亿,藏南打下来容易,但要想守住它,每年可能要投入大把钞票对付阿三的反攻 ,以现在的国力打藏南十分不划算,南沙希望大点,毕竟那有油,先“韬光”再说,等GDP有个十几二十万亿了 再收拾阿三比较现实

blueoval79

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Will you guys stop posting in Chinese....English is the language on this forum......

你们能不能停止发中文贴, 这个论坛是英文论坛(老子说中文, 管你PI事, 这是我基本人权)

你为什么不家伙的英文后..... (阿3说的一句中文, ... 直接傻眼)

aimarraul

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Originally Posted by blueoval79

Will you guys stop posting in Chinese....English is the language on this forum......

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sorry,you can ignore this thread,we are craping our govt

不好意思, 你能忽略掉这个贴子, 我们正在讨论我们国家的政府呢(... 在国外论坛里就这么敢说....)

satangel

FRESH

While talking about China-India issues, especially border issue, I saw too many bluffings by both Indians and my fellow Chinese. To be frank, I really feel sick.

说到谈论中国跟印度的问题, 特别是边界问题. 我看到了来自印度网友还有我的同胞过多的吹牛, 虚张声势的评论了, 说真的, 我都感到恶心了

Like it or not, these kinds of China-India disputes and debates will last for very long time if not forever. So be practical, and have some self-discipline. Everybody has rights to express themselves, but we really should respect some etiquettes/netiquettes. I should state I address this mostly to my fellow Chinese, not to others especially Indians since I don't think it's good idea for a Chinese to suggest anything to Indian, based on very different mindsets and cultural backgroundings.

不管你认同还是不认同, 这种类似于中印争议的谈论还会持续非常长的时间, 所以现实点, 约束一下你们吧, 多说没意思, 谁都有权力发表他们的言论, 但是我们都需要遵守网上礼仪, 我必须声明下我很关注我的中国弟兄们在这个论坛的言论, 而且我认为向跟我们有着不同思考方式和文化背景的印度人谈论任何事情是不可取的

One thing I dislike very much is when my fellow Chinese accuse of our government for softness and non-action/non-reaction. As adults, we should know things, especially these kinds of thorny things, are very complicated. Bluffing and bullying cuts no ice. It really needs patience and profound wisdom. Yes we can dream of solving it overnight, by hooks or by crooks, but dream is just dream.

还有一件事我非常不喜欢就是我看到我的中国同胞责难我们政府软弱和不反击, 作为一个成年人, 我们应该了解清楚情况, 特别是这种棘手的事情是非常复杂的, 威逼, 虚张声势不能够融冰, 这需要耐心和睿智的思想, 是的, 我们可以YY说在一个晚上不折手段的就能够解决这些问题, 但是YY就是YY

I dare say shamelessly I know more about India than most of my fellow Chinese - history, culture, social system etc. I know some Indians, most of them are elite ones. As well educated persons, we can exchange ideas about both countries, and we can remain dissident about few things.

我可以毫不难为情的说我比在这论坛里所以的中国兄弟门都了解印度, 文化, 历史, 社会系统等等, 我认识一些印度人, 他们大部分都是社会上的精英, 做为一个受过教育的人, 我们可以求同存异

Relationship between countries is beyond sense of personal friendship. They are mostly interests-bonded or as outdated phenomena ideology bonded as in Cold War.

国家之间的关系已经远远超越了个人范畴, 它们都是利益捆绑的

So even though we can not solve these problems in short or long term, at least we can treat each other as respectable friends or opponents.

尽管我们不能够在短期或者长期内解决这些问题, 至少我们双方都应该尊重对方

My comment shall definitely sense biased, for which I have no intention to deny.

我的评论肯定是有偏向的, 对于这点我不否认

My opinion is,with regards to sensitive issues like border dispute, Chinese government and officials act much more responsible and mature than Indian counterparts. They'd rather comb the fury and emotional crying of Chinese citizens than intensify them. I have no idea if it's the case in India. I understand sometimes for purpose of internal politics especially for votes they need do something eyeball catching and emotion stirring. But to be frank, I think a mature politician/statesman need always weigh the pros and cons of his/her sayings and doings to avoid any real and critical detriment to the most important interests. Yes as people say, politics is like a show, or politics is only a show. But at the bottom, we should realize that politics is light years away from a show/THE show, because the security, stability and interests of the country and the people are tightly knitted with THE politics.

我的意见是, 对于这种敏感的问题像边界争议, 中国政府表现的比印度更为付责任和成熟, 印度变现的过于情绪化, 在这种问题上甚至还火上浇油, 对于这些我已经无语了, 我理解印度有些政党是出于为了国内的选票, 为了吸引眼球等一些目的, 但是说实在的, 我认为作为一个稳重而成熟的政治家需要衡量他所说的和他所做的以避免对一些最重要的利益产生不必要的损害(指中印双边关系). 是的 就像人们说的, 政治就像作秀, 或者政治就只是作秀而已, 但根本上来说, 我们应该清楚的认识到政治要远离作秀, 因为一个国家的安全, 稳定, 利益,还有人民都是跟政治编织在一起的(要负责啊!!!)

While reading the history books of China in thousands of years, I always realize this.

当我读中国几千年的历史书的时候, 我深深的感受到了这点(中国古代常说, 君无戏言)

I dont know if Indians will realize this while reading your own history books, those Vedic era, Mauryda era, Kunshan era, Gupta era, Mughal era and British Raj period etc.

(说了一堆印度的朝代, 我对印度历史是文盲, 不于翻译, 见谅)

I found from the internet that some Indians talk about a word "Ghandigirl". I don't know what it means. But if as I guess it means insult to Ghandi-ji, I'll be terribly shocked. Personally I think it's a shame and unforgivable. How could they do this?

我在印度的INT网上看见很多印度人调侃圣雄甘地为"Ghandigirl". (甘地小妞),我不知道这代表什么意思, 但我知道肯定是侮辱他老人家的, 我被深深的震惊了, 个人感情来说, 我认为这是丑陋的, 不可原谅的, 他们怎么能这样呢(Ghandigirl"嘛 他老人家非暴力运动给现在民族意识强烈的印度小愤青们的映像就是软弱的表现, 所以都不太喜欢他老人家倡导的理念, 很好理解的吗...)

Seems Indian people are eager to deny and refuse ahimsa, and worship Agni and maybe Shiva (as destroyer). Actung!

似乎印度人都急于否认和拒绝非暴力主义, 而崇拜阿格尼(火神 ) 或 Shiva (破坏之神) (印度也受了很多苦滴, 每个民族都是有血性滴,这2段话让我想到了尼采)

Dont be so naive to be deluded by those praise flood that China is super power, India is super power next door. China and India are only two small countries that need be dis-impoverished first.

别太天真了, 别被那些说中国是超级大国的各种赞美所欺骗了, 印度也是个超级大国就在中国的隔壁, 但中国跟印度其实还只是2个弱国, 脱贫致富还是第一位的任务

As Tacitus said, "ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant" (They make a desert and call it democracy).

就像塔西佗说的 "ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant"(人们制造了沙漠, 然后称之为民主, 这句我翻译的没意境, 请高人指点)(呵呵, 什么民主, 什么专制, 都是浮云...)

If we forget two halos above our heads - commie and democracy, our sights and attitudes could possibly be justified. Things could get real, and hopefully a little better.

如果我们忘掉放在我们头上的2朵光环(共产主义,或 资本民主主义), 我们的态度, 观点也许才能够真正的公正 (意识形态啊~~~, 打从有国家这么个概念有之后, 就别想什么真正的自由主义, 不管什么体制, 都是出于一个国家机器要正常运作的前提去考虑的)


oceanx

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Originally Posted by cat

你以为阿三民主了就是代表了万千劳苦大众了吗?为何要纠缠于政治方式呢,检验一个政府的合法性唯一的方式是 他代表了多少最下层阶级的利益,为什么毛泽东在中国一如既往的受到爱戴,即使是文革中被他整惨了的人,正是 这个道理。

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“形式”民主不解决根本问题 - 这人家都说透了。 印度人对这点实际上比国内人还要了解得深刻。

但是打肿了脸当饿孚,让老毛折腾个生不如死 - 那还不如做了红色高棉的刀下鬼开一次荤尽一回兴"舒畅"。

说穿了,达旺也好,台湾也好 - 都是次要矛盾。

看看小"加"和老"美"你就清楚: "拿得回","拿不回"是小事. "摆得平"和"摆不平"完全是另一码事.

摆不平的就算"拿"了有时候也"塞翁失马" - 吞了还咽不下去.

摆平的不"拿"他也想和你"窝". 他"窝"你都还"嫌". 问问老美"要不要"波多黎各.

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Originally Posted by yohoexpo

阿三冒得莫傢伙搞了,所以騷即把跟中國搞邊界問題。老子有天率領80萬鐵騎直接殺向紐得利。

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Please stop posting in Chinese...

请别再发中文贴了。。。

请停止张贴在中国.... (阿3又来了, 先好好学中文基础)

本文内容于 2009-10-27 11:30:25 被semperfidelis编辑

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