丢脸丢到世界上韓國人發明了漢字——韓國人與外國網友的辯論

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导读:原帖地阯:http://www.chinalanguage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=dda7f085754b86ae39f1dcfa0e2662b1 部分原貼以及簡單翻譯:這個帖子從2002年辨到2007年,有心的网友可以继续译!           posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kOrean
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原帖地阯:http://www.chinalanguage.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=dda7f085754b86ae39f1dcfa0e2662b1





部分原貼以及簡單翻譯:這個帖子從2002年辨到2007年,有心的网友可以继续译!





posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kOrean invented chinese language





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chinese histOrian like to twist the histOry around, everybody know about it.


u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kOrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poOrly?


And look also at the spOrt, the wOrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kOrean.


in modern technology, kOrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia



are popular everywhere, where is chinese?


a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Or 80 million if u want include nOrth kOre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.


the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Or not.


many chinese histOrian in china also agree that dongyi was kOrean And the creatOr fOr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.





翻譯: 中國的歷史學家喜歡歪曲歷史,這是誰都知道的事情.


你只要看一看"圍棋"這個智力項目,韓國人總是打敗中國人.如果它是中國人發明的,那中國人怎麼表現總是那麼糟糕?世界杯也是同樣的例子.



在現代的技術中,韓國人創造的三星.lg,現代,起亞風靡世界,中國人在哪呢?


13億打敗不了一個4千萬的民族,(如果加上北韓的話是8千萬),我們幾乎在所有的領域做的都比中國人好.


真理就在這兒,不管你們是否接受它.


許多中國歷史學家也同意東夷是韓國人,並且創造了"大汶口"文化......








posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.





during prehistOry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures


in nOrth-east asaia. in nOrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,


manchuria, And also current kOrean peninsula), nomadic people


dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern


china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Or other similar



languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in


chinese-tibetan Or proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have


mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of


bronze weaspons Or tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the


two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the


nomadic people to the south (kOreans And japanese) And to the west



(turk, xian-no, etc).





it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nOrthern china And


southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitOr of


allium fistulosum, And allium sativum, the progenitOr of allium


longicuspis.





with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze



age And/Or during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems


came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Or the


south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han


Or hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary


in histOry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic,


not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did



yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fOr your


explOration into the ultimate inventOr of current chinese characters.





翻譯: 在新石器時代到鐵器時代的史前文明中,在東北亞有兩種文明.在東北亞地區(西伯力亞/中亞/滿州以及現在的朝鮮半島),遊牧民族居於統治地位,而農耕文明在中國南部居於統治地位.遊牧民族大部分都說阿爾泰以及相似的語系,而農耕文明大部分說漢藏語系.中國考古學家大部分都集中研究後者.而兩種語言,青銅器的樣子和墓制的樣式完全不一樣,而又幹又冷的天氣環境讓遊牧民族進入了南部.


非常肯定的事情是,北中國和南西泊力亞培育了__(此處不知怎麼翻譯),____的祖先/


在青銅器時代或者商代發展了不同的書寫系統,有一件事可以非常確定---書寫系統來自東部(阿爾泰/遊牧民族),而不是西部和南部.還可以確定的是,東部的人不是漢族.你知道歷史上誰出版了第一本漢字字典嗎?非常有趣的事是這是說阿爾泰語的人做的而不是說漢藏語系的人做的.殷商時代的人使用的何種語言?這對你們研究誰是漢字的發明者是個非常好的問題.


i think all anyone can say is that "kOrean made mOre contribution to the


development of what is known as chinese language than currently


acknowledged". wOrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, And


commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives


linguistic development in today's wOrld? well, it's computer. you don't


need as much language to grow plant Or raise animals. in other wOrds, it


is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in


the old days were ceramics And casting technology, which kOrea was And


still is wOrld leader.





翻譯: 我認為任何人都可以這麼說---韓國人對大家所認知的漢字發展貢獻更大.商業/經濟/技術/貿易和5千年前一樣,是什麼麼語言發展了當今世界?是計算機.你不會用語言去種養植物以及飼養動物,換句話說,是從語言中發展而來的技術,而不是農業.所以,在古代,技術就是制陶業和鍛造業,而這些技術韓國一直是世界的先驅.














shanxi wrote:


............................chinese invented And created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap And ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~








oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnOrant about their own histOry!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another abOriginal's written language, And then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiOrity issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their histOry once again,,,it seems to me that people (me fOr instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese histOry than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..And it seems to me that you are...Or whoever that posted this..peter you're cOrrect on this, except the kOrean part of course





翻譯: 跟貼者說中國人發明了他們自己的語言,樓主在這?胡言亂語,混淆是非.





又有一個韓國人對跟貼反對者的反駁:


我的天哪,中國人居然對他們的歷史是這樣的無知,中國人根本沒有創造自己的語言,他們不得不用其他原住民的書寫系統,然後,他們說那是他們自己的.因為自卑的原因,他們說他們發明了自己的語言.所以樓主是正確的,是其他人而不是中國人發明了自己的語言,這些中國人應該回頭看看自己的歷史,就像我一樣,我對中國的歷史了解的比他們自己更清楚,那些中國人是一些種族中心論者,樓主,你是對的.....








其他國外網友的反駁:





posted: sun sep 29, 2002 6:38 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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everyone knowes that japanese And kOrean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?


任何人都知道日本人和韓國人源自中國,你為什麼在這浪費時間廢話!


flOreo


guest


posted: sat nov 09, 2002 7:15 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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shoot, the first one in this thread didnt even have the necessary geographical idea about kOrea And china. the palace location fOr shang dynasty is in anyang which is almost in the middle of china. so how come kOreans would travel so deep into china as to make the characters???this is way to stupid! i don't wanna talk mOre about it!


註意,這個假設沒有對於韓國和中國的地理學的觀念,商朝的皇宮在安陽,幾乎是在中國的中心,那麼韓國人是怎麼長途跋涉到中國的中心去創造他們的漢字?這太愚蠢了,我不想再說什麼了/





anthony


guest


posted: fri nov 15, 2002 3:46 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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everyone know the chinese has the longest continous culture in the wOrld. chinese cultures have influences many cultures in southeast asia And east asia like japan And kOrean.


任何人都知道中國有著世界最長的連續不短的歷史,中國文明影響了許多東南亞和東亞的國家,比如日本和韓國.





posted: mon nov 25, 2002 9:17 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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kOrean invented everything.





這個外國朋友很無奈的說:"韓國人發明了一切>"





peterkim


guest


posted: mon dec 02, 2002 12:50 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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confucius was chinese but lao tze not.


taoism has kOrean Origin too.

韓國人又跳出來說;"孔子是中國人但是老子不是,韓國是道教的起源"





posted: fri dec 20, 2002 12:22 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, And nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by kOrean...


夠了夠了,這個主題只會引起相互仇恨,沒有人(除了一些石頭腦子的人)會認為漢字是韓國人發明的....





hkb

guest


posted: thu mar 13, 2003 2:49 am post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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technically, at the time when china had all its inventions, there wasn't a clear distinction of "kOrean" Or "japanese" they weren't really nationalities yet. except fOr maybe japan.


學術上,那個時候當中國人有了那些發明的時候,還沒有一個明顯的關於韓國人和日本人的區分,他們還沒有自己的民族呢,(可能日本人已經是了).





alaxieniye


guest


posted: wed jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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what i see? a gang of pro-kOrean idiots telling bull-shits!!


chinese invented chinese. kOrean invented kOrean.


kOrean is an altaic language, with a lot of wOrds from chinese! it's a sino-xenik ( but not a sino_tibetan language). kOrean wOrds bOrrowed from chinese are of fujian Orrigin ( hokkien, fukien:) kOrean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit fOr kOrean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


我都看到什麼了?一群史前韓國白癡在胡扯!!


中國人發明了漢字,韓國人發明了韓語.


韓語是一種阿爾泰語,其中很多都來自漢語.它是一種受漢語影響的語言(但不是漢藏語系),韓語是從中國福建地區借鑒而來,韓國人不可能發明漢字,因為那根本不適合他們的語言習慣/





posted: thu jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm post subject: re: kOrean invented chinese language





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the one whom wrote this has little knowledge of histOry. it shows that how ignOrant kOrean are! it's such a shame! btw please study where does kOrean comes from.



樓主對歷史一無所知,那只能說韓國人是多麼愚蠢,這是個羞恥,請先研究韓國人(韓語}從哪?來.








一個叫"james campbell"的老外對韓國白癡有理有據的反擊:


in conclusion...





i don't think the chinese get enough recognition fOr their inventions. that includes chinese characters. chinese characters are not (cannot be defined as) kanji--it is rather that kanji are (can be defined as) chinese characters. the typical westerner is tricked into believing that kanji being japanese are a japanese invention. even i was tricked this way until i investigated. they may have changed the look of a few here, And added a few there, but they're not the invention of the japanese. this is the same fOr kOrean too.





i even heard once, but i cannot prove it Or give the source, that the chinese were on the verge of inventing a car many many centuries ago while europe was still in the dark ages And suffering from plagues And death, but the technology didn't advance far enough due to political unrest. even still, such a concept as a car, no matter how long ago it was thought of, if such plans have been documented by the chinese, then this concept could surely be called a chinese invention.


由于字数问题原文只贴部分






我認為中國人對他們自己的發明沒有有著足夠的認知,這包括漢字.中國漢字不是日本漢字,倒可以說日本漢字是中國漢字.典型的西方人錯以為日本漢字是日本人的發明.甚至我也被欺騙了直到我研究了它.漢字可能已經在這改變了一點兒,在那又增加了一點兒,但它不是日本人發明的,更不是韓國人.


我曾經有次聽說(但我不能證明),中國在許多世紀前差點發明了汽車,而那時候歐洲人正處在黑暗的年代,蒙受著災難和瘟疫.但是中國那時候沒有足夠的技術,而且政治騷亂.但是,就"車"這個概念,不管它是多久前想的,但是這個計劃已經被中國記錄了,或許這個概念可以叫做中國發明.


所以我並不關心什麼"東夷"."大汶口"什麼的,但韓國人不能宣稱他們發明了漢字.韓國人不應該嘗試和挖掘歷史來欺騙人們,以至於人們會相信他們才是發明源泉的謊言.韓國人是我曾見過的如此倒退,自私,只關心自己的人.直到現在韓國人也反對韓國之外的發展.


韓國是中國的"小兄弟",從地圖的也可以看出來,他們的整個歷史就是尋求他們"真正並且唯一"的帝國---中國的幫助和引導.中國早就通過絲綢之路和西方進行溝通,並且從印度接受了佛教,他們早就向世界開放,並且提供了他們自己的發明,中國人在數世紀前影響了意大利人的烹飪.而日本人和韓國人對歐洲人貢獻了什麼??韓國泡菜??日本和服??


驕傲貫穿著所有韓國人的血脈,如果中國人有那麼一點,就可以變成比現在更偉大的民族.是什麼讓他們在二戰中飽受日本的蹂躪?中國人應該提升對他本民族的自信,不要讓韓國人和日本人拿走那些本來屬於他們的榮譽.可能他們會被日本人和韓國人指責使用他們自己的漢字,或者被強迫放棄曾經屬於他們帝國榮譽一部分的漢字.但是那更可以證明,中國人是多麼的仁慈,他們願意讓這些野蠻異族教育他們自己.


除此之外,他們是諸如孔子/孟子/和其他傳播人類文明價值的祖先,而這些正是這些野蠻異族所缺乏的


沒有人發明語言,它是自然演化和交流的必然.


我忘了提醒,西方人根本不原了解韓語和日語的使用方法,但你會發現在這個論壇上有如此多的西方人喜歡漢字,甚至把漢字刺青在他們身體上.我從來沒遇見過西方人把韓語或者日語刻在他們身體上.因此,漢字更被西方人所接受.


我曾經聽說韓國政府非常賣力的讓國際社會信服他們發明了韓語來記錄自己的語言,實際上我從來沒有聽說過這曾經發生過.





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這個帖子從2002年辨到2007年,從這個帖子可以說明從4年前或者更早,韓國人就開始急於證明這些,而我們華人才是最近才關註,這證明了什麼?



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