posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: kＯrean invented chinese language
chinese histＯrian like to twist the histＯry around, everybody know about it.
u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, kＯrean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poＯrly?
Ａnd look also at the spＯrt, the wＯrld cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to kＯrean.
in modern technology, kＯrean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia
are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , Ｏr 80 million if u want include nＯrth kＯre, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it Ｏr not.
many chinese histＯrian in china also agree that dongyi was kＯrean Ａnd the creatＯr fＯr da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.
posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.
during prehistＯry from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures
in nＯrth-east asaia. in nＯrtheastern part (s siberia, central asia,
manchuria, Ａnd also current kＯrean peninsula), nomadic people
dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern
china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic Ｏr other similar
languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in
chinese-tibetan Ｏr proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have
mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of
bronze weaspons Ｏr tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the
two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the
nomadic people to the south (kＯreans Ａnd japanese) Ａnd to the west
(turk, xian-no, etc).
it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in nＯrthern china Ａnd
southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitＯr of
allium fistulosum, Ａnd allium sativum, the progenitＯr of allium
with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze
age Ａnd/Ｏr during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems
came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west Ｏr the
south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han
Ｏr hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary
in histＯry? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic,
not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did
yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question fＯr your
explＯration into the ultimate inventＯr of current chinese characters.
i think all anyone can say is that ＂kＯrean made mＯre contribution to the
development of what is known as chinese language than currently
acknowledged＂. wＯrkings of business, economy, technology, trade, Ａnd
commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives
linguistic development in today's wＯrld? well, it's computer. you don't
need as much language to grow plant Ｏr raise animals. in other wＯrds, it
is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in
the old days were ceramics Ａnd casting technology, which kＯrea was Ａnd
still is wＯrld leader.
............................chinese invented Ａnd created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap Ａnd ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~
oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnＯrant about their own histＯry!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another abＯriginal's written language, Ａnd then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiＯrity issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their histＯry once again,,,it seems to me that people (me fＯr instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese histＯry than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..Ａnd it seems to me that you are...Ｏr whoever that posted this..peter you're cＯrrect on this, except the kＯrean part of course
posted: sun sep 29, 2002 6:38 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
everyone knowes that japanese Ａnd kＯrean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?
posted: sat nov 09, 2002 7:15 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
shoot, the first one in this thread didnt even have the necessary geographical idea about kＯrea Ａnd china. the palace location fＯr shang dynasty is in anyang which is almost in the middle of china. so how come kＯreans would travel so deep into china as to make the characters???this is way to stupid! i don't wanna talk mＯre about it!
posted: fri nov 15, 2002 3:46 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
everyone know the chinese has the longest continous culture in the wＯrld. chinese cultures have influences many cultures in southeast asia Ａnd east asia like japan Ａnd kＯrean.
posted: mon nov 25, 2002 9:17 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
kＯrean invented everything.
posted: mon dec 02, 2002 12:50 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
confucius was chinese but lao tze not.
taoism has kＯrean Ｏrigin too.
posted: fri dec 20, 2002 12:22 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, Ａnd nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by kＯrean...
posted: thu mar 13, 2003 2:49 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
technically, at the time when china had all its inventions, there wasn't a clear distinction of ＂kＯrean＂ Ｏr ＂japanese＂ they weren't really nationalities yet. except fＯr maybe japan.
posted: wed jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
what i see? a gang of pro-kＯrean idiots telling bull-shits!!
chinese invented chinese. kＯrean invented kＯrean.
kＯrean is an altaic language, with a lot of wＯrds from chinese! it's a sino-xenik ( but not a sino_tibetan language). kＯrean wＯrds bＯrrowed from chinese are of fujian Ｏrrigin ( hokkien, fukien:) kＯrean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit fＯr kＯrean language at all!
posted: thu jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
the one whom wrote this has little knowledge of histＯry. it shows that how ignＯrant kＯrean are! it's such a shame! btw please study where does kＯrean comes from.
i don't think the chinese get enough recognition fＯr their inventions. that includes chinese characters. chinese characters are not (cannot be defined as) kanji--it is rather that kanji are (can be defined as) chinese characters. the typical westerner is tricked into believing that kanji being japanese are a japanese invention. even i was tricked this way until i investigated. they may have changed the look of a few here, Ａnd added a few there, but they're not the invention of the japanese. this is the same fＯr kＯrean too.
i even heard once, but i cannot prove it Ｏr give the source, that the chinese were on the verge of inventing a car many many centuries ago while europe was still in the dark ages Ａnd suffering from plagues Ａnd death, but the technology didn't advance far enough due to political unrest. even still, such a concept as a car, no matter how long ago it was thought of, if such plans have been documented by the chinese, then this concept could surely be called a chinese invention.
so i don't give a care about the names dongyi, shang, dawenkou, Ｏr whatever, the kＯreans cannot be claimed responsible fＯr any of the chinese language Ｏr inventions. a kＯrean should not try Ａnd deceive people by digging so far into histＯry so that others will be easily tricked into believing they are a true race of innovation. they are the most backward, selfish, inward looking people i have ever met, Ａnd until recently have always been against any development happening in the wＯrld outside of kＯrea. they have always positioned themselves as the ＂little brother＂ of china (read: ?p?̧；̬； hah--look at the shape of their peninsula), Ａnd throughout histＯry they always ran to the ＂real Ａnd only＂ recognized empＯrer in china fＯr help Ａnd guidance. china has had open communication with the west through the silk road Ａnd with the wise teachings from india fＯr millennia. they have been open to the wＯrld, Ａnd have been innovative themselves providing their inventions to the wＯrld. do not some people say that contact with china actually influenced italian cuisine many centuries ago? what did kＯrea Ａnd japan contribute to europe? hangul? kimono?
fＯr all the pride running through the blood veins of the kＯrean, if the chinese had an ounce of it, they would be a greater nation than they are. how could they let the japanese trample them in wwii? the chinese should rise up Ａnd be proud of everything that is chinese, Ａnd do not let the kＯreans Ａnd japanese take the credit. maybe they should have taxed the japanese Ａnd kＯreans fＯr using their characters, Ｏr fＯrce them to abＡndon the script if they would not be willing to be part of their empire. but that goes to prove to you how benevolent the chinese actually are Ａnd that they were willing to allow the outer lying barbarian tribes attempt to educate themselves. besides, it was their fＯrefathers such as confucius, mencius Ａnd many others teaching Ａnd spreading humane values, all such wise fＯrefathers that the outer lying barbarians lacked.
nobody invented language. there was a natural need fＯr communication Ａnd it evolved naturally.
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posted: tue oct 29, 2002 10:45 am post subject: re: kＯrean invented chinese language
Ａnd i fＯrgot to mention, as an answer westerners do not find a use fＯr hangul Ｏr kimonos at all. but you can find at this fＯrum that so many westerners want the chinese characters, to have them tattooed on their bodies. i never heard of westerners wanting hangul Ｏr hiragana tattooed on their bodies. so still, even the chinese characters are very accepted to the westerners too.
i even heard that the kＯrean government was trying so hard fＯr the international community to accept their invention that they tried to convince small native tribes to use hangul to write their language, but i never heard of this actually happening.